90130_ Report This Comment Date: March 18, 2006 11:19PM
Looks like a nice place to drop a hellfire.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 18, 2006 11:50PM
you'd probable miss..
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 12:24AM
plant some friendly forces in the center and he wouldn't miss
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 12:59AM
At least the US allows dissenting opinions. Try that in a lot of other places
on the planet and see how long or how peacefully your protest goes on.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 01:17AM
Ask the Democrat icon FDR about his office of military censorship. If all the
bad news had been reported in W.W.II, we would have surrendered and be speaking
German right now. In some strange, perverted way I'm just waiting for us to lose
an American city to a nuke. After that day comes we won't be hearing from idiots
like this for decades because a country fighting for it's very survival has no
room for the luxury of liberalism.
shaDEz Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 01:17AM
ehh... go fuck a tree
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 01:26AM
But nobody has killed an American city. A couple thousand Americans in the
towers. A couple thousand American soldiers on foreign soil, around thirty
thousand Iraqis.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 01:26AM
Thanks for the intelligent debate. Telling someone to go "fuck a
tree" is such a thoughtful response. Let me guess, I bet you're one of the
3 fans of Air America.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 01:29AM
Buddy if you don't think their number one desire is to take out an American
city, then I don't know what else to say because you're obviously not paying
attention and have no clue what your enemy is all about.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 09:36AM
You have a point, they'll nuke a US city if they can (relatively unlikely, not
impossible). But its much more than just "knowing your enemy", that
ignores the last 50 years of US foreign policy.. what we say we do, vs. what we
actually do.
Remember, the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident that "started" the
Vietnam war was caused by US warships sailing up and down, bombing the coast
until they got a military response.
What makes you sure that Gulf War I wasn't started on a similar pretext, then
continued for *12 years*, and =then= we actually bothered to invade Iraq.
Iraq is fucked. Forever. Destroyed.
Ruined infrastructure. Destroyed water treatement. Ruined landscape. Depleted
uranium dust everywhere. Sectarian violence. Alliances and bonds of trust and
hate that Americans can never understand. Flapping like so many tattered strips
of cloth on razor wire.
The Iraqi dead are well over 100,000. "Combatants" and non-combatants
(ie. women and children) alike.
Our boys are being sent into a death-trap that they'll never understand, and
serves only the ultra-rich. Don't you see that?
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 09:38AM
Follow the money, Smitty.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 05:05PM
What I know is that for decades well-meaning American presidents have tried
everything to bring about peace in the middle east and we've had very limited
success. In his last year in office Clinton tried to shove peace down their
throats and I don't fault him for it because we had tried everything else. But
of course it did not work. Now we're trying to give them hope in their future
in the form of democracy so they can have a voice in their own lives, and also
because democracies have a tendency to take care of the bad guys in their own
society's. If this doesn't work, to put it bluntly we're all fucked because
there is nothing left to try in the middle east. I support Israel’s right to
exist but even if they packed up and moved tomorrow, this shit will not stop.
The nuts in that part of the world will just turn their hatred towards us
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 05:06PM
Let me tell you how it’s going to happen. When we least expect it, tomorrow,
next week, next year or 20 years from now terrorists are going to set off a nuke
in an American city, probably on the west coast so the winds will carry the
radioactive cloud across the country. We’ll have countless dead in the streets
and the rest of us will be in our basements for a couple of weeks eating tuna
out of a can and shitting in trash bags. What’s our response going to be? The
American people will not be satisfied sending in the 101st airborne to look for
the bad guys in caves. The people will demand that we launch our nukes and
whether there is a Republican or Democrat in the White House, we will launch,
probably tactical nukes (baby nukes) that take out the cities in the middle east
while leaving most of the oil fields untouched. Get used to the idea so you
won’t be surprised. Life as we know will change in ways we can’t even begin
to calculate.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 06:01PM
And if the Chinese are allies with the mideast countries when we nuke them? All
the nukes fly and only the cockroaches are left....
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 06:46PM
In the event we are ever attacked by a nuke, yes indeed the cry for blood will
be on most American lips and the response is not likley to be anywhere near as
measured as it was post 9-11, which is scary to say the least.
Though at the end of the cold war with Russia I put away most of my fears about
a nuclear holocaust, those fears have certainly resurfaced in recent years.
I hope for all our sakes as citizens of the world that we never know what
nuclear winter or large scale nuclear devastation means to our planet and our
lives. If it ever occcurs, we'll all lose.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 07:05PM
What true hardcore right wing neoconservatives want is this: a true Orwellian
"1984" (good book, every one should read it) with a touch of
"Brave New Worlds" (good book also).
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier... just as
long as I'm the dictator"
- George W. Bush, Dec 18, 2000
During his first trip to Washington as President-"Elect".
Considering he invaded a country for their natural resources, and it seems that
a lot of countries that are on his shit list are rich in natural resources
hmmm... killed a quarter of million or so (the Iraq war)... he'd probably be in
the top 10 of the worlds bloodiest dictators.
That man can't even make complete sentences with out his brain going into
overdrive, I don't think he should dictate anything to anyone and I really don't
think he has any business playing war except with action figures.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 09:18PM
Sorry to dispute your concepts Anonymous@24543, but as a hardcore right winger
conservative I'd hardly be accepting of an Orwellian or Huxlian dream in the
reality of the world.
Both authors spoke to me in these books of what could happen if things went far
awry and certainly not of what either of them seemed to want as a future for
mankind. And ... might I be so bold as to remind you that both works are still
to be found in the fiction section when you want to look them up :>
I have little doubt that GWB is capable of having made the comments you related.
He's quite good at putting at least one foot in his mouth, if not both at
times. To take these comments as his only view of the situation seems likely a
bit closed minded though. Many things can be manipulated to justify an agenda
when taken out of the context they were intended with when stated. The bigger
picture typically is more revealing of what's been said, but ....
I continue to read with absolute astonishment comments like the one you
referenced about having invaded Iraq for its resources. If that were to indeed
hold much water would it truly make sense that we pay more for our oil products
now than we did previously? Please explain to myself and surely at least a few
others how it is we've gotten anything from Iraqi oil. Seems to me that the
military campaign has cost us billions of $$s as well as many American soldiers
lives and will likely cost many more before it's over, but I fail to see how
we've profited by it financially.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 09:31PM
Yes I know everything is Bushes fault. Its his fault the Palestinians want to
drive the Jews into the sea, its his fault that the people of the middle east
have lived under dictatorships (slave nations) for all of history and produced
one mad man after another, its his fault that President Johnson micro-managed
our war in Vietnam to a defeat, and its his fault I ate too much Mexican food
last night and have the shits today. If pea-brained political idiots can’t
get their partisan brains out of their asses, there is no chance this nation
will survive.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 10:39PM
So Anonymous@229248, while I would argue that you are swallowing US propaganda
about what we are doing, and fail to see the actual impacts of US foreign
policy, I have to ask you:
What does "Peace and Justice" in the middle east look like to you?
Not assuming that any one of us can solve a deeply wrecked situation, (I
certainly can't), what do you think the solution might look like?
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 10:46PM
Anonymous@229248: "If pea-brained political idiots can’t get their
partisan brains out of their asses, there is no chance this nation will
survive."
I second that.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 11:12PM
Here's a tasty quote, chew on this:
"Americans will vote for cornpone Nazis before they will give up their
entitlements to a McHouse and a McCar."
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 11:38PM
What I know is that any nation where the people have no democratic voice in
their government is a slave state. There was a time when everyone in the US was
against slavery of any kind and the left-wing lead the charge. Nowadays the
left-wing doesn't want to sacrifice a single brave life to bring freedom and
justice to the world. There is really something perverse about that. We live in
a spoiled nation where we are fat and comfortable bitching every time a
politician says something we don't like and many give little thought to those
who can't open their mouths because they will be locked up or killed for doing
the same.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 19, 2006 11:59PM
It has often been said that, if the human species fails to make a go of it here
on the Earth, some other species will take over the running. In the sense of
developing intelligence this is not correct. We have or soon will have,
exhausted the necessary physical prerequisites so far as this planet is
concerned. With coal gone, oil gone, high-grade metallic ores gone, no species
however competent can make the long climb from primitive conditions to
high-level technology. This is a one-shot affair. If we fail, this planetary
system fails so far as intelligence is concerned. The same will be true of other
planetary systems. On each of them there will be one chance, and one chance
only. (Hoyle, 1964)
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: March 20, 2006 01:52AM
Anonymous@229248
Oh please.
We =do= live in a fat, spoiled nation, that much is true, but we're spoiled
because we rely on slave states to produce cheap goods for us.
You assume that (a) the US has never actively supported dictatorship ( =ahem=
Chile1979! *cough, cough* ), or terrorism (Contra's attacking 'soft targets' and
priests in Latin America in the 80's); and (b) that we always act altruistically
... you are missing some vital chunks of history, my friend. This war is not
about democracy, at least not the democracy you understand. This is about
invading the heart of Arabic nations (state-controlled economies), and turning
them into "free-market" capitalist fiefdoms of US corporations. Get a
clue.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 20, 2006 04:15AM
We have supported tons of dictatorships, sometimes you have no choice and pick
the lessor of the two evils. But now that we are trying to do something right by
giving people freedom or capitalism as you call it, and at the same time make
ourselves safer since true democracies deal with the evil in their own
society’s, the left wants nothing to do with it. The fact of the matter is
the left has changed dramatically from what it used to be and all they want to
do now is do away with capitalism, a system that is not perfect but actually
works. So you get a clue.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 20, 2006 07:55AM
this pic sux
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 20, 2006 12:51PM
John Stone, you talk a lot of sense.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: March 20, 2006 06:01PM
Anonymous@229248
"But now that we are trying to do something right by giving people freedom
or capitalism ... and at the same time make ourselves safer since true
democracies deal with the evil in their own society’s, the left wants nothing
to do with it."
"The Left", "The Right"... these are outdated and divisive
concepts. The fact is that you and I are in the same boat: We have no say over
what our Gov't does with our money. They bomb, they torture, and they give cash
to their friends. We get left holding the bag.
Think this through: Saudi-born terrorists flew jets into national monuments.
We invade and occupy a country (Iraq) that had nothing to do with the attacks.
Now shit is going through the meat-grinder and coming out like so much smelly
poop. And you defend the actions of those who do not share your interests?
Curious.
The USA can ride no moral high horse... we commit the same crimes as everyone
else. We are at the height of imperial excess. We have to special ability to
"give democracy" or "freedom" to anyone.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: March 20, 2006 06:02PM
We have NO special ability to "give democracy" or "freedom"
to anyone.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: March 20, 2006 07:10PM
In fact, just like in America, where the colonists eventually took their
freedom from old King George, and striking a new path, other people have the
right to do the same. People must make their own democracy, themselves. Just
like you would. can. are.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 21, 2006 12:06AM
you're right, you can't give people freedom but you can give them opportunity,
and what they do with that opportunity for freedom is up to them.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: March 21, 2006 05:54AM
Sorry John but you seemed to have slipped a few gears in your history of post
9-11.
Remember that we 1st went into Afghanistan to capture Bin Laden. In deed we
TRIED to get the presumed mastermind of the attacks 1st. That didn suceed and
still hasn't which eats at me to this day, but ..
Then after 11 yrs of Saddam Hussiens thumbing his nose at the very sanctions
that he'd agreed to as part of the cessation of aggression in the 1st Gulf war,
coupled with the inability of the UN to have any impact on the continued
"Fuck You"s he kept throwing out, we warned him repeatedly that we'd
attack if he didn't cooperate.
Then, after he'd already reached the end of the opportunities TO cooperate with
the UN inspections, we did as we said we'd do and attacked Iraq in an effort to
displace him as the offending head of the food chain there.
Now then, in both situations, failure to satisfy the intended goals have pretty
well been realized, except of course that we did actually manage to capture
Saddam.
I've beaten on this very tired horse for so long and there seems no graceful end
in sight for the US in all this.
My suggestion is to as gracefully as possible withdraw ALL our troops from
around the globe and let the rest of the planet kill each other at will!
It's what so many different factions all over the globe seem so wanting to do,
so why keep standing in their way ? Let 'em all wage war and kill everyone they
care to, there'll damned sure be no loss felt here in my home from them having
done so!
We have more than enough issues of our own here at home that could certainly
use tending to and I'd MUCH rather see our tax $$s workin within our borders
than at points all across the world where we're despised and hated anyway !
I wish there was some real hope that an American candidate for president could
rise to the office on a platform like this, but sadly I know too that it will
never happen :>(
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 21, 2006 01:43PM
Seriously John Stone you talk a lot of sense.
Mr Kim, you talk, for the want of a better phrase, out of your arse (with due
respect). The "War" (War being an act where opposing forces conflict,
and a blind man can see that is not happening) has nothing to do with the pithy
ideology of saving the world. It does however have a lot to do with finite
resources and not being able to extract those very, oh so very finite resources
from ones own soil. I hate the fact that uneducated young men and women from
America and Britain (where I am from) and Australia and God knows how many other
hoodwinked coalition force nations are dying for an unjust cause. Dying to line
the pockets of the filthy rich and horribly few. I was educated in a very poor
school and am astounded that the most powerful man on the planet is a quater wit
(at best) and his best mate (BLAIR) is nothing more than a salesman. George
Orwells's dystopian future is currently a planted seed and as much as I hope it
doesnt get the nuture it deserves I fear it already has.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: March 21, 2006 03:07PM
To each their own Anonymous@120249. I think if you had a better understanding
of what it is I actually said, perhaps you'd feel differently about the opinions
I espouse.
I'm tired of all our money, resources and energies being wasted on things that
seemingly aren't effective anyway.
Think what you like, but my thoughts are tied to cessation from all the BS
conflicts around the world and concentrating some of those energies on the
poeple WITHIN my countrys borders.
