fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: January 21, 2006 02:42PM
b.l.'s fucking dead already or his "latest" video would be verifiable
to it's authenticity.
b.l. thinks he's some kind of movie star or something. his ego wouldn't accept
any less than that.
al-jazeera and whoever else pulled this vid out of their asses.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: January 21, 2006 09:06PM
Here's his translated full "message"
My message to you is about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how to end them.
I did not intend to speak to you about this because this issue has already been
decided. Only metal breaks metal, and our situation, thank God, is only getting
better and better, while your situation is the opposite of that.
But I plan to speak about the repeated errors your President Bush has committed
in comments on the results of your polls that show an overwhelming majority of
you want the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq. But he has opposed this
wish and said that withdrawing troops sends the wrong message to opponents, that
it is better to fight them [Bin Laden's followers] on their land than their
fighting us [Americans] on our land.
I can reply to these errors by saying that war in Iraq is raging with no letup,
and operations in Afghanistan are escalating in our favor, thank God, and
Pentagon figures show the number of your dead and wounded is increasing, not to
mention the massive material losses, the destruction of the soldiers' morale
there and the rise in cases of suicide among them.
So you can imagine the state of psychological breakdown that afflicts a soldier
as he gathers the remains of his colleagues after they stepped on land mines
that tore them apart. After this situation, the soldier is caught between two
hard options. He either refuses to leave his military camp on patrols and is
therefore dogged by ruthless punishments enacted by the Vietnam butcher [U.S.
Army] or he gets destroyed by the mines. This puts him under psychological
pressure, fear and humiliation while his nation is ignorant of that [what is
going on].
The soldier has no solution except to commit suicide. That is a strong message
to you, written by his soul, blood and pain, to save what can be saved from this
hell. The solution is in your hands if you care about them [the soldiers]. The
news of our brother mujahedin is different from what the Pentagon publishes.
They [the news of mujahedin] and what the media report is the truth of what is
happening on the ground. And what deepens the doubt over the White House's
information is the fact that it targets the media reporting the truth from the
ground. And it has appeared lately, supported by documents, that the butcher of
freedom in the world [Bush] had decided to bomb the headquarters of the Al
Jazeera in Qatar after bombing its offices in Kabul and Baghdad.
On another issue, jihad [holy war] is ongoing, thank God, despite all the
oppressive measures adopted by the U.S. Army and its agents, to a point where
there is no difference between this criminality and Saddam's criminality, as it
has reached the degree of raping women and taking them as hostages instead of
their husbands.
As for torturing men, they have used burning chemical acids and drills on their
joints. And when they give up on [interrogating] them, they sometimes use the
drills on their heads until they die. Read, if you will, the reports of the
horrors in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo prisons.
And I say that, despite all the barbaric methods, they have not broken the
fierceness of the resistance. The mujahedin, thank God, are increasing in number
and strength — so much so that reports point to the ultimate failure and
defeat of the unlucky quartet of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Declaring
this defeat is just a matter of time, depending partly on how much the American
people know of the size of this tragedy. The sensible people realize that Bush
does not have a plan to make his alleged victory in Iraq come true.
And if you compare the small number of dead on the day that Bush announced the
end of major operations in that fake, ridiculous show aboard the aircraft
carrier with the tenfold number of dead and wounded who were killed in the
smaller operations, you would know the truth of what I say. This is that Bush
and his administration do not have the will or the ability to get out of Iraq
for their own private, suspect reasons.
And so to return to the issue, I say that results of polls please those who are
sensible, and Bush's opposition to them is a mistake. The reality shows that the
war against America and its allies has not been limited to Iraq as he [Bush]
claims. Iraq has become a point of attraction and restorer of [our] energies. At
the same time, the mujahedin, with God's grace, have managed repeatedly to
penetrate all security measures adopted by the unjust allied countries. The
proof of that is the explosions you have seen in the capitals of the European
nations that are in this aggressive coalition. The delay in similar operations
happening in America has not been because of failure to break through your
security measures. The operations are under preparation, and you will see them
in your homes the minute they are through [with preparations], with God's
permission.
Based on what has been said, this shows the errors of Bush's statement — the
one that slipped from him — which is at the heart of polls calling for
withdrawing the troops. It is better that we [Americans] don't fight Muslims on
their lands and that they don't fight us on ours.
We don't mind offering you a long-term truce on fair conditions that we adhere
to. We are a nation that God has forbidden to lie and cheat. So both sides can
enjoy security and stability under this truce so we can build Iraq and
Afghanistan, which have been destroyed in this war. There is no shame in this
solution, which prevents the wasting of billions of dollars that have gone to
those with influence and merchants of war in America who have supported Bush's
election campaign with billions of dollars — which lets us understand the
insistence by Bush and his gang to carry on with war.
If you are sincere in your desire for peace and security, we have answered you.
And if Bush decides to carry on with his lies and oppression, then it would be
useful for you to read the book "Rogue State," which states in its
introduction: "If I were president, I would stop the attacks on the United
States: First I would give an apology to all the widows and orphans and those
who were tortured. Then I would announce that American interference in the
nations of the world has ended once and for all."
Finally, I say that war will go either in our favor or yours. If it is the
former, it means your loss and your shame forever, and it is headed in this
course. If it is the latter, read history! We are people who do not stand for
injustice, and we will seek revenge all our lives. The nights and days will not
pass without us taking vengeance like on Sept. 11, God permitting. Your minds
will be troubled and your lives embittered. As for us, we have nothing to lose.
A swimmer in the ocean does not fear the rain. You have occupied our lands,
offended our honor and dignity and let out our blood and stolen our money and
destroyed our houses and played with our security, and we will give you the same
treatment.
You have tried to prevent us from leading a dignified life, but you will not be
able to prevent us from a dignified death. Failing to carry out jihad, which is
called for in our religion, is a sin. The best death to us is under the shadows
of swords. Don't let your strength and modern arms fool you. They win a few
battles but lose the war. Patience and steadfastness are much better. We were
patient in fighting the Soviet Union with simple weapons for 10 years, and we
bled their economy, and now they are nothing.
In that there is a lesson for you.
The_Central_Scruitnizer Report This Comment Date: January 22, 2006 04:08AM
Well, Bin Laden represents legitimate gripes with how we conduct ourselves
around the world. That doesn't make HIM legitimate or his methods.
He's scum, but we're acting just like the fucking Soviet Union did back when the
people who set Saddam Hussein up in power were calling the Soviet Union and
"evil empire". Were they wrong?
Nope. (Though Reagan was wrong about a whole lot of other shit, some people,
like him, must've slept through) It just makes us look like Dumbass Hypocrites.
(Well, 52% of us, anyway....)
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: January 22, 2006 06:57AM
Sort the signal from the noise, Duane. There are some clear issues being dealt
with. The only question is whether he's honest about the truce or not. Based
on Al Qaeda's methodologial approach, I'd guess there's some truth to the offer.
But El Generalissimo Busho want control of the energy supplies in central asia,
and won't pull out until he's cum all over the place.
As a wise man once said: " *What difference does it make to the dead, the
injured, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought
under the name of communism, or the holy name of democracy and liberty?* "
Who, indeed, would Jesus bomb, yo. Nobody.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: January 23, 2006 07:01AM
John_Stone, apparently you don't know much about Jesus. Yes he was for peace,
but that turn the other cheek was a bit of a misunderstanding. He said, as is
the custom, turn the other cheek. The custom was turn the other cheek, but only
once, then kick the shit out of them. His point was don't strike back in anger
the moment you get smacked, or even the second time. They don't get a third
time. The thing about forgiving 70 times 7, that deals with forgivness.
Kicking the crap out of nerdowells has nothing to do with forgiveness. You can
forgive them after you take of business. NOBODY has the right to opress or
enslave another human being. Yes, even your wife. So you can quit beating her
now and go back to your bible pounding.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: January 27, 2006 04:46AM
Dude, I quit beating my wife years ago. Back off.
Humor aside,
, if we're going to discuss the
"retaliatory Jesus", otherwise known as the "Battlin' Jesus"
I heard the 'turn the other cheek' thing yet another way: Since Jesus was
arabic and a Jew, and the culture says the left hand is unclear (due to wiping
your butt with it), turning the other cheek was an insult to the overlords ...
they would hit you with their right hand on your left cheek, so to insult them
(since you can't really hit an overlord back, else suffer torture, etc.), you
turn your other - right - cheek, asking them to strike you with their unclean
=left= hand ... something they would not do. It was a passive-aggressive
affront. But who knows. Wikipedia has a couple other versions, different from
both of ours.
Regardless, I still think He would not have started an air war over Iraq that
has now killed in excess of 100,000 people. If Saddam & Sons were to blame
for despotic excess - and they certainly were - I think Jesus would have taken
the fight to them, right? Dealt with them personally, and not persecuted the
entire land with depleted uranium.
And while we're on esoteric theological points, you say =NOBODY has the right to
oppress or enslave another human being= . So do you include the USA using
"extraordinary rendition" to hide and torture people? How about Abu
Ghraib, ok or no? Just curious.
