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Stop the madness .... please

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Stop the madness .... please

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jgoins Report This Comment
Date: July 27, 2013 06:32AM

I guess you're not going to get a bite from the gun nuts.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: July 28, 2013 02:14AM

When viewing it in this context it's a hard argument to breach rock on

jgoins Report This Comment
Date: July 28, 2013 06:14AM

It is hard to argue with logic. Until violence is gone in the world then there will always be a need for guns.
blinkermann Report This Comment
Date: July 31, 2013 12:25AM

If you visit lots of schools, you will pretty quickly see police with guns. Maybe inside the school, maybe nearby outside. Most school districts in the US have police forces and they carry guns, The gun-free business applies to civilians.

Meanwhile, many restaurants, banks, sporting venues, etc. don't allow guns except for cops. So even if you have your CHP, you cannot take it inside or you have to check it with someone. This is true in court. This is true in government buildings. Should you see the president, the ss will not let you have a gun.

So in the land of logic, this is meaningless at best since schools are protected by guns, but don't let just anyone in with a gun, just like everything else on the list

Or maybe I am missing something. Please tell me.

There are very compelling reasons for gun ownership -- especially in your home, but crap like this makes it looks like gund rights people are not very smart.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: July 31, 2013 07:25AM

Well gun rights people are not very smart. They think it is possible to legislate gun out of existence and laws only apply to those who obey the laws not criminals. There will never be a law which will make a person intent on armed robbery give up their guns.
blinkermann Report This Comment
Date: July 31, 2013 08:44AM

j- the guns right people are the ones who want to keep guns. This issue seems to cause brain freeze in people (on both sizes) where catchy slogans and oversimplification prevent real discussion.

Surprisingly, almost everyone agrees that guns are here to stay and that law abiding citizens have the right to buy a gun. There are some gun abolition people, but they are not main stream. Some version of concealed carry (mostly with a permit) is legal is every state and that is not up for challenge. Some guns are already not legal, and certain behaviors with guns will always be illegal because of inherent risks (like shooting in the air to celebrate).

The debate should just be about how and where people by guns, how and where they buy ammunition (and how much can be stored), exactly what the limits are on what guns people can by (i.e. fire rate and magazine capacity), and how hard do we try to keep the guns away from the bank robber in jgoin's post -- right now, when he needs a new gun, he can skip the gun store and make a private purchase at a gun show without anyone seeing that he is a serial criminal.

I am a gun owner, and I expect to always be. None of the areas under debate threaten that.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: July 31, 2013 12:05PM

There are stupid people on both sides. Problem is stupid people don't know when to shut up so we end up hearing more stupid arguments than anything else.
blinkermann Report This Comment
Date: July 31, 2013 09:22PM

Point taken. I'll shut up now.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: July 31, 2013 10:53PM

The point seems to be that when you display a sign that states "Gun Free Zone" you might just as well place a substatement that says "Another Fine State Sponsored Shooting Gallery" beneath it.

When you implement a "Gun Free Zone: you've done 3 very disturbing things: 1. you've taken away every lawful citizens right to be armed for the protection of themselves and others 2. you've empowered the police/nanny state mentality and 3. you've placed in jeopardy every person who enters such a zone from the actions of any individual who bears the intent to do harm to others with a firearm. Honestly, does anyone really believe such a sign stops anyone intent on doing harm to others?

Anyone who thinks signs like this deter anyone from doing harm to others, let me introduce you to another cuppla similar fantasies .... Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

If schools (and add to that list now, theaters) are so well protected by designations as "Gun Free Zones" and the gun carrying cops, perhaps we should ask the families of victims of mass shootings at these areas how well that worked in protecting their loved ones.

Better yet, how about asking some of the right to carry permit owning teachers and theater patrons who had to sit idly by and watch as others around them were injured and killed because they chose to obey the inane "Gun Free Zone" policies, making themseleves and those around them nothing more than moving targets in a government sanctioned shooting gallery (*facepalm*)

GAK67 Report This Comment
Date: July 31, 2013 11:29PM

My 2c worth on this is that gun free zones work if they are effectively enforced. If you prevent anybody taking a gun into an area there will be no shootings in that area - it's simple logic. The problem is that they are not enforced, or if they are it's ineffective. Having a sign proclaiming a gun free zone is as useful as reading glasses for Stevie Wonder.

Most of you here know my stance on gun control but I have to agree that having a gun free zone that is not enforced will only take guns away from those who could step in to defend the innocent in the event of a crisis.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: August 01, 2013 07:49AM

Signs are not enough to make a fun free zone, you need metal detectors and security guards as well as many other expensive facets which is why you only see signs at movie theaters and other places. Should these signs even apply to off duty police officers? You can't tell from the signs. Do off duty police officers have to leave their weapons in their car when the go to schools about their children? Mr Kim is right the signs only advertize places as easy targets for anyone who desires to kill others. I don't know about other places but most government buildings here in Arkansas don't have any way to ensure no one is carrying in them. It just seems to me it would be easier to allow everyone to openly carry weapons as long as they are visible, at least then you would see who is armed. Police are trained to think everyone they stop is armed and act accordingly so if they can clearly see the gun they can more easily guard against it's use.

Excuse my brain fart from earlier I meant gun grabbers not gun rights.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: August 01, 2013 10:21AM

My comment was not directed at you Blinkerman and in fact I agree with you and most of the folks here. The stupid loudmouths I mean are the lobbyists and politicians and the ignorant pubic that parrots their stupidity.
blinkermann Report This Comment
Date: August 01, 2013 07:21PM

I know Blah. I was just being silly. I really did not want to start the debate, I was just pointing out that almost everything listed in that list is also a gun-free zone, just less advertised. The whole gun-free zone theory is really aimed at students and often their thug-life relatives. Accidental shootings are still a problem when kids have guns. Forget criminal intent for a moment. How to we get people to handle guns better? Do we have rules to keep them out of the hands of dumb-shits? If so, how do we do it without stepping on Fossil's rights. Or are his rights so important that we can tolerate some dumbshits having guns as a necessary cost of protecting legitimate rights. I really don't know.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: August 02, 2013 07:29AM

There are no accidental shootings, they are dumb ass shootings. Unfortunately there are no tests to show who is a dumb shit. We can't make getting guns harder for everyone because of some dumb shits any more than we can make driving cars any harder for everyone because of the dumb shits behind the wheel. We have to tolerate dumb asses everywhere which is why my wife won't let me put a PA speaker in my car. Used to have one but she got tired of me telling everyone their short comings.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: August 03, 2013 02:07AM

There are plenty of dumb shit tests. Making comparisons between firearms and cars is one of them.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: August 03, 2013 02:46AM

In other news today ... plus613 acquired it's own self proclaimed head of analogy policing,

We can all rest easier tonight Dancing
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jgoins Report This Comment
Date: August 03, 2013 07:06AM

Another dumb shit test is thinking cars can't kill just as easily as guns can.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: August 03, 2013 01:49PM

It's an opinion Kim.

I would not like to see guns being as controlled by the government as cars are JG.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2013 06:43AM

I wouldn't either but cars can kill just as easily as guns and nobody is trying to ban them.
GAK67 Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2013 03:09PM

Cars are registered and insured plus you need a licence to drive it and are required to follow certain rules while using it. They are also hard to conceal and, at least when new, are significantly more expensive than guns. There is also significant pressure on car manufacturers to be responsible for their vehicles until disposal, not to mention safety and environmental pressures on the manufacturers. Are you sure you want guns controlled as much as cars?
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: August 05, 2013 07:15AM

I was just saying there are many things just as deadly as guns and nobody is trying to ban them. I am sure there are some who would like to see guns as controlled as cars but I am not one of them, I just want people to understand that guns are no more dangerous than any other device by themselves.
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: August 20, 2013 04:37PM

i haven't been on in a while now, and have now plans to be on in the near future, but am glad the same 'ole debates haven't turned sour yet. (*butt*)

you guys know how i feel, so i shall plead the Goins. (*finger4*)
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: August 20, 2013 04:42PM

hat was a stupid comment, please disregard and continue. (*facepalm*)

i guess i'm rusty.