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W Report This Comment
Date: June 08, 2010 04:20PM

WAAAAAAA!! Its Obamas fault!!!
blinkermann Report This Comment
Date: June 08, 2010 04:30PM

It should be 10 trillion -- which is bad enough, but I guess 100 trillion is more dramatic. The debt is about $13 trillion now. If it is $20 trillion at the end of his term, that puts us in the compnay of Italy and Greece in terms of debt-GDP ratios. To get to $100 trillion we would need some hyperinflation.
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: June 08, 2010 08:43PM

it's bush's fault we're stuck with this fruitloop
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 09, 2010 07:00AM

The fault belongs to all the idiots who voted for him. I can't imagine the country would be worse off if McCain/Palin had been elected instead. We will be paying for this screw up the rest of our lives and our great grand-kids lives as well.
pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 09, 2010 08:48AM

Unfortunately you were all well and truly on the path to such debt well before he ever popped his head up to become president. It's been coming ever since Clinton left office and you had large budget surplus. Added to that the 'gfc' caused by America's corporate greed under the direction of Bush relaxing all the financial laws and .. hey, you reap what you sow.
Monster1 Report This Comment
Date: June 09, 2010 11:29AM

Uncle Bill got the USA into more debt not less...

[en.wikipedia.org]

At least GW spent the money kicking raghead ass as payback for 911 drinking
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Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 09, 2010 09:26PM

I've always thought it comical when people make statements about Clinton having left a treasury surplus (which was really only numbers on a page which bore no resemblance to anything existent in the reality of the financial world) and that GWB then shredded that "surplus" and also spent us into financial oblivion. The comedy is that these folks always fail to mention how the financial disasters that accompanied the attacks on 9-11 played a huge part in that.

ANYONE in business in the US knows how heavily the economy was impacted after 9-11 and in truth that the economy has never fully recovered since then, but they always neglect to mention this all too obvious fact when making such statements (*horse*)

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pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 09, 2010 09:26PM

Gee what an intelligent perspective.

Oh well I'm glad kicking 'ragheads' asses is important to you, because you've spent a fuckload of money on it, and nothing is even remotely different after it.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 10, 2010 07:01AM

For 2 years before 9/11 I had a prospering internet business making over a thousand per week but after 9/11 the business took a nose dive and within six months died completely. So many Bush haters just want to blame Bush for everything and never recognize the economic disaster that the attack and the aftermath caused. They just want to blame Bush. The national debt has more the quadrupled under Odamna and is still climbing.
pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 10, 2010 09:48AM

The national debt has quadrupled in the past 2 years?

I'd like to see the source of those statistics.
Monster1 Report This Comment
Date: June 10, 2010 11:18AM

"Oh well I'm glad kicking 'ragheads' asses is important to you, because you've spent a fuckload of money on it, and nothing is even remotely different after it."

Well, we could have given them ragheads an "Oscar" if we've had president Hussein but Gw said maybe killing the Taliban and hanging Saddam would send the right message to them.

And I know where all those billions went to: Fannie Mae, Fredy Mack, Ginnie Mae, Barney Frank, the DNC and President Hussein, The election of the first black prez cost America it's worst recession in history. drinking
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fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: June 10, 2010 12:34PM

get ready for the double dip recession
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 10, 2010 12:35PM

Hey pulse, though I ain't gonna bother with providing a source, the US deficit passed the $13,000,000,000,000 (13 trillion) just a few weeks back. With the current administrations growth of the federal govt. since taking office (20% increase!) and an increase in federal salaries also this admin. has made some great strides in adding increases to the deficit that will keep on giving for years to come as each of these new govt. jobs comes complete with the regular benefits and retirement costs that will just pile on to the problems we already faced economically.

Hell man, just one byproduct of the Obamacare health care program will require up to 16,000 new IRS agents, not even mentioning the costs involved in new facilities/maintenance/utilities/printing/computers/etc. that go along with this SINGLE govt. employee add on!

Small businesses (like mine) have historically led the way out of recessions here but every small business owner I know is simply doin their best to hang on at this point and business growth is all but non-existent in todays world in the US.

Small business owners are unsure of the costs of all the new federal regulations and mandates that will effect their businesses and any with capital reserves are so apprehensive that they're NOT spending any monies not absolutely necessary as we all just keep waitin for the "next" shoe to drop. When you add to this scenario the fact that any type of business loans that actually ARE available are requiring owners to basically put their entire business up as collateral, few businesses are seeking capital improvement loans.

Right now the economy is on such shaky ground it's pretty dismal all in all and with unemployment hovering at over double the percentage rate we as a country find acceptable, businesses are havin a helluva time selling their goods and services as there's little expendable income out there to get (*horse*)(*horse*)(*horse*)(*horse*)

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Monster1 Report This Comment
Date: June 10, 2010 06:56PM

Last summer I spent a week in Japan and Sadly you could see where the economy in the USA is going by just looking at Japanese streets... I only saw one US Cadillac Escalade (US Consulate plates) and a couple of Mercedes that's it! people drive Japanese cars only, now how many Toyotas, Nissans, Hondas etc. do you see in the USA streets everyday ????? drinking
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pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 10, 2010 09:19PM

MrKim: No doubt, I'm not disputing that the debt has increased under Obama. I'm disputing the claim that was made that it has QUADRUPLED since he took office 2 years ago, hence my asking for the proof of that, because that's frankly a fuckin' stupid thing to say. Even if it were true, the US economy was well and truly on shaky ground when he took over, the 'GFC' hit almost immediately as the US mortgage crisis caused the economy to implode, it certainly wasn't his doing. As I said, not disputing/doubting things have got worse under his reign, just arguing the ratios.

Monster: American cars are shit. They have poor build quality, poor reliability and poor technology. The world doesn't want them, Detroit was left behind a long, long time ago.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not having a go, Australian cars share a lot with American ones, our auto industry is a dinosaur as well. Both are being left for dead by outdated business and production models, while small, cheap, efficient, technologically advanced cars are waltzing in at a better price point and leaving the rest for dead. I replaced my Australian built Ford Falcon 2 years ago with a Mitsubishi Lancer. It costs half as much to run and shares roughly the same comfort level.

In business the mantra is simple. Keep up, or be left behind.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 11, 2010 06:27AM

It has been mentioned several times on this site that the debt when Bush left office was in the neighborhood of 3 trillion. Now if you take that and divide it into the current national debt you would bet a figure of better then 4 so it would seem to be more than quadrupled.
pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 11, 2010 10:27AM

You believe what people on this site says?

According to CBS news, the debt was 5.7 trillion WHEN bush took office, and 9.8 trillion when he left office.

[www.cbsnews.com]

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With no fanfare and little notice, the national debt has grown by more than $4 trillion during George W. Bush's presidency.

It's the biggest increase under any president in U.S history.

On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727 trillion. The latest number from the Treasury Department shows the national debt now stands at more than $9.849 trillion. That's a 71.9 percent increase on Mr. Bush's watch.

But don't let the facts stand in the way of a good story



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pro_junior Report This Comment
Date: June 11, 2010 01:37PM

pulse, I agree with what you're saying, but you're wasting your time here...
there are a handful of regulars to this site that suffer from confirmation bias as well as attitude polarization...you could hit them in the face with an oil tanker full of facts and they will rebut and stand firm on their toy sailboat full of misinformation, because that sailboat is what the want to be the truth...
they won't even bother to look up these conditions, let alone realize that they suffer from them...
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: June 11, 2010 05:52PM

jane you ignorant slut!
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 11, 2010 05:54PM

Careful ... don't feed the chimps (*butt*)

Hey pro .... if I needed to look up those terms to get a grip on their meaning I'd truly feel intellectually lacking.

Even though this has been asked multiple times previously, since you obviously deem yourself to be oh-so wise on the topic and its ramifications how 'bout you list for all us you obviously deem to be intellectually deficient in comprehending the great strides forward Big O has made for us, exactly what his programs and policies have done to benefit the citizenry of the US smiling
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Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 11, 2010 08:37PM

MrKim: No doubt, I'm not disputing that the debt has increased under Obama. I'm disputing the claim that was made that it has QUADRUPLED since he took office 2 years ago, hence my asking for the proof of that, because that's frankly a fuckin' stupid thing to say. Even if it were true, the US economy was well and truly on shaky ground when he took over, the 'GFC' hit almost immediately as the US mortgage crisis caused the economy to implode, it certainly wasn't his doing. As I said, not disputing/doubting things have got worse under his reign, just arguing the ratios.

Here's the thing pulse, you have to dig much deeper and inspect where the policies came from that led to the mortgage industry bubble bursting that indeed caused the catastrophic international financial failures. Scratching the surface WILL NOT reveal the true source of the problem.

To be totally fair the previous administration defined the problems that led to the melt down, made their findings public and even attempted to make necessary changes that could have at least had an effect of minimizing the damage and were stymied by the liberal congress from then making the necessary changes.

If you want the facts, they're out there, but you won't find them by listening to the talking heads at MSNBC, ABC, CBS or many other outlets as quite simply they don't suit their liberalist agenda (*horse*)(*facepalm*)(*horse*)

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pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 12, 2010 02:55AM

I totally agree with pretty much both sides of this argument.

See this is the thing. I don't honestly care who is president of the US, or what party is in power. I don't live there, it really doesn't effect me, aside from when the shit hits the fan and we're dragged either into financial turmoil or war, both of which have happened this decade.

The thing that pisses me off is when people make up bullshit facts trying to win an argument. Throwing things out there like "debt has quadrupled under Obama", whilst not only being unsubstantiated by the person making the claim, even the most brain dead moron can see with a cursory glance that it's a stupid thing to say.

I'm all for people arguing, but at least do it sensibly.

To be honest, I hated Bush. I think he was a spineless, brain dead coward. But then I don't particularly like Obama either. I just.. don't care.

We're going to be faced with a similar situation in Australia sometime around November. The Labour party leader, Kevin Rudd, is a complete fuck. He's ruining the country. But Tony Abbott, the leader of the alternative 'major' party, is just a talking head whos only real policies seem to be saying the complete opposite of what the Labour party says.

It's just a shit situation to be in, and it's pretty much where I see America.

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To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 12, 2010 07:32AM

You said there was 3 trillion in debt when Bush took office and many many others said that Clinton balanced the budget and there was no debt when he left office. Evidently there is a discrepancy there. so it just depends on which figures one would use. Regardless of which ones you use it is clear that Odamna has grown the debt dramatically in the short time he has been in office. Just imagine where it will be when he leaves office.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 12, 2010 10:10AM

I hear ya pulse and I too dislike any manipulation of data/facts in an attempt to sway an argument. If ones argument lacks support when stating the truth, playing jiggery poker with the info doesn't really change that. One of my old girlfriends had a saying along such lines that seems to hold particular relevance in such discussions .... "I'm never as concerned about WHO'S right as I am about WHAT'S right."

I do my dead level best in making any case I present to be as truthful as possible. even when doing so may support the "other side" in an argument, not because I like proving others points, but because I hold real truth to ultimately be of the most importance.

I feel for you cats down unders political choices as they sound much like the "lesser of evils" kinda choices we typically face in major elections too, which is really sad all in all sad smiley

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pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 12, 2010 11:52AM

jgoins: Where did I say 3 trillion? Actually, I said precisely this:

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On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727 trillion. The latest number from the Treasury Department shows the national debt now stands at more than $9.849 trillion.

So if the debt is around 12 trillion now, that's an increase of 2.2 trillion, or approximately 22 percent of 9.849 trillion. If you're going to try and quote me at least .. you know .. quote me. I'm not debating it's not a big increase. But 22% falls well short of 400%. You're out by nearly a factor of 20.

Mrkim: I couldn't agree more. I'm actually a big believer in truthful debate. I love a good argument, but if I'm going to argue I'd prefer to do it with pride. I also love playing Devil's Advocate. I'll happily argue against my own views simply because it's a great way to learn. If we, society, don't learn from each other, what hope is there for any of us?

As for our election, yeah, we're pretty well screwed. I work as a consultant in a field that is very dependent on strong economic policies, presently contracting for a very, very large finance corporation. So I've got a choice. The guy that's going to fuck the economy by taxing mining through the roof (the one thing that got Australia cleanly through the whole GFC thing - we really were pretty much unaffected) and the other guy who's going to fuck the economy by indifference and having nothing of actual substance to offer.

So what it comes down to is the present leader, Kevin Rudd (or K.Rudd as he's called), is eroding our civil liberties at a rate unheard of since Homeland Security was launched and England put in its hundred million surveillance cameras, and I can't stand for that.

So we're damned if we do, and we're damned if we don't.



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fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: June 12, 2010 02:40PM

it doesn't much matter which "source" you get your numbers from, they all are promoting their own agendas. this is a common sense subject here, we owe trillions and are increasing it.....wtf?! the liberal mindset of spending you way into prosperity is plain irresponsible and ignorant.....you ignorant sluts. tongue
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jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 13, 2010 07:05AM

One source here.
[blog.heritage.org]

President Barack Obama has repeatedly claimed that his budget would cut the deficit by half by the end of his term. But as Heritage analyst Brian Riedl has pointed out, given that Obama has already helped quadruple the deficit with his stimulus package, pledging to halve it by 2013 is hardly ambitious.

It doesn't really matter how much but the simple fact that it is growing so rapidly is disturbing. I don't know if we are beyond the point of no return but if it keeps going we will get to a point where we wil never recover from it. What will happen if America defaults on her mortgage?
pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 13, 2010 09:52AM

Quadruple the DEFICIT not the debt.

If you don't know the difference between a budget deficit and debt then .. I can't help you.
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: June 13, 2010 12:42PM

debt clock
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 13, 2010 12:53PM

Hey PJ, still waitrin on that list of goodies Big O has contributed to our country. Whassa matter, cat got your tongue?

I'm awaiting your list of Obama triumphs with bated breath, so, let's hear 'em man smiling
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ORLANDO399 Report This Comment
Date: June 14, 2010 06:54AM

Pulse is right about one thing....clinton did start the downward spiral
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 14, 2010 06:54AM

Does not the deficit feed into the debt?
pro_junior Report This Comment
Date: June 14, 2010 03:08PM

quote - mrkim
Hey PJ, still waitrin on that list of goodies Big O has contributed to our country. Whassa matter, cat got your tongue?

I'm awaiting your list of Obama triumphs with bated breath, so, let's hear 'em man



how does saying that some of the regulars here refuse to admit that anything other than what they firmly believe could be true equate to me praising obama?
If I've ever said anything about obama other than that he is just another politician then you're going to have to show me when and where I did because I sure don't remember it.

what so many of you fail to grasp is that it doesn't matter who is in control, dem or rep, liberal or conservative...they're all just politicians and truly do not give a fuck about you or me or what anyone writes on a user generated content website...

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ORLANDO399 Report This Comment
Date: June 14, 2010 03:35PM

Sounds like somebody doesnt wanna come out of the closesteye rolling
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fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: June 14, 2010 03:44PM

nah 'Lando, Junior has always been politically neutral except for a few "anything is better than Bush" comments. it looks like he may be realizing that those misinformed and naive comments may have been full of shit now, good job Kim....now where's that beast dumbass?
pro_junior Report This Comment
Date: June 14, 2010 07:54PM

you've got to be kidding...
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: June 14, 2010 09:45PM

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pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 15, 2010 04:02AM

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Does not the deficit feed into the debt?

Yes it does. But deficit and debt are very different things, and you said Obama had quadrupled the debt not the deficit
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 15, 2010 07:28AM

Well maybe I was seeing the future. We will see where the debt is when he leaves office.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 15, 2010 08:37AM

"there are a handful of regulars to this site that suffer from confirmation bias as well as attitude polarization...you could hit them in the face with an oil tanker full of facts and they will rebut and stand firm on their toy sailboat full of misinformation, because that sailboat is what the want to be the truth...
they won't even bother to look up these conditions, let alone realize that they suffer from them...
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Seems clear enough to me that the above statements would seem to point to the idea that as one of the "handful of regulars" you are mentioning my logic is flawed in my beliefs so I'm askin for that "oil tanker full of facts" you mention to rebut the "toy sailboat full of misinformation" I hold as the truth.

And, since the discussion at hand is Obama, how could I draw any other conclusion than that you disagree with what's been stated which is why I then asked for a list of his accomplishments, though I see just as I expected, that's not to be forthcoming.

It's all well and good to sit on the sidelines and take pot shots at others ideas but if you really have anything of meaning to relate you have to be able to MAKE some relevant point, which it seems you are either incapable or ineffective in doing, again .... 'bout what I expected from a liberal backer eye rolling
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Takin the Captain Obvious approach and stating all politicians are basically dishonest is merely a diversionary tactic, though this too is a common tactic when liberals are pressed for an answer. Nothin seems to bother a liberal much more than askin them to actually PROVE their point by using logic and reason handjob

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pro_junior Report This Comment
Date: June 15, 2010 02:53PM

you've got to be kidding...
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: June 15, 2010 03:25PM

it seems that junior is too chicken to back up his comment. smiling
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pro_junior Report This Comment
Date: June 16, 2010 08:18PM

hahaha yeah that's it...I'm chicken.
seriously what are you like 7 years old? chicken?

look its really pretty simple, I'm not interested in discussing/arguing politics on the internet.
I probably shouldn't have said anything...
obviously my confirmation bias comment struck a nerve with you Kim...oddly, it really wasn't directed at you so much as others, who don't seem to give a shit that I said it.
was what you said true and accurate? I have no idea. I rarely read most of your comments as they are generally too long...
anyway...there's nothing I can say to you, or that you can say to me, that will change any of our political viewpoints, so to me it seems kind of pointless to go on and on and on about who broke this, or who fixed that. It isn't any one person, it's 545 people. It's their fault.
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: June 16, 2010 08:32PM

yeah, you shouda kept your mouth shut alright. smiling
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jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 16, 2010 08:58PM

Well the whole point of message boards is to exchange opinions and ideas on issues. If one's argument is strong enough then it may sway the opinion of some fence sitters. Freedom means we all have a right to our own ideas and beliefs and have a right to discuss them with whomever we like if they are open for it. It really doesn't matter where these discussions take place, if it is an open forum or a little site like this it doesn't matter, it is the discussion and exchange of ideas that is important.
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment
Date: June 16, 2010 11:29PM

Now its 545 people?

Hmmmm thought a few years back it was bush and only bush and im pretty certain i didnt hear anything about the other 544 people.Care to elaborate pro?smiling
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ORLANDO399 Report This Comment
Date: June 16, 2010 11:31PM

Well jgoins we could also try shadez points of view,i wonder how that would work out.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 17, 2010 12:50AM

oddly, it really wasn't directed at you so much as others, who don't seem to give a shit that I said it.

Ok, there's you, me, digger, pulse and goins (edit - and now 'Lando too) here, so who then?



was what you said true and accurate?

I do my best to never to relay incorrect info. If you wanna disagree publicly or privately, be ready to support that disagreement, if not then why comment?




I rarely read most of your comments as they are generally too long...


Sorry dude, not enough Scotch in me to be a good wordthrift, though I do admire that talent.




anyway...there's nothing I can say to you, or that you can say to me, that will change any of our political viewpoints, so to me it seems kind of pointless to go on and on and on about who broke this, or who fixed that.

^^^ Cop Out^^^




It isn't any one person, it's 545 people. It's their fault.

Well, except that as the liberals hold majorities in both houses of congress and the presidency and then OWN the media too, so tell me then .... whose fault should it be?




obviously my confirmation bias comment struck a nerve with you Kim...

Nah, really dude, that was just the best part smileys
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jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 17, 2010 07:21AM

Good point Lando. Lsta 2 terms it was all Bush's fault. now it's 544 people's fault. During the last prsidency I was always saying it was the entire congress at fault as well on things but everyone kept wanting to just blame Bush. I guess Bush had more power than Odamna has. Where did all the power of the president go from the last one? Did George take it with him along with the stapler?
pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 18, 2010 05:35AM

I'll settle it nicely for you all.

It's approximately 320 million people's fault.

[plus613.net]



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jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 18, 2010 07:08AM

Not the American people's fault. The people we elected did not have to choose to do what they are doing. Odamna did not have to choose to ignore the people and do everything he is doing. The American people only have one option now and that is to remove them from office as their terms come to an end. A revolution is out of the question at this point.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 19, 2010 12:04AM

So, uh pulse .... by that same logic I guess it'll be you Aussie cats fault too after the bleak election prospects you mentioned come to pass?

The old hack about "arguing on the internet" seemed to have validity once upon a time. As the digital age has progressed it would seem this medium is as good as any and better than some for debating/arguing on topics, most especially national politics. Could PJ, wolfie, madnez, beast bitch, 9er,'Lando, goins or anyone else and I ever likely have had the opportunity to share/expound on our personal ideologies by any other means ..... doubtful at best grinning
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jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 19, 2010 07:29AM

Any place a group of people can get together and share ideas, express ideas or share opinions is a good thing no matter how big or small. This site is better then what was used in the past because when you mix opinions with alcohol you often get violence. Even when meetings were held in community halls without alcohol fights would often break out. Here when someone gets mad they have to use words but in person some people often use violence when they get mad.
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment
Date: June 19, 2010 08:50PM

Beast bitch....i love itthumbs
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fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: June 19, 2010 08:54PM

who's the retard? the one who argues on the site? or the one that created the site with this format? totally
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jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 20, 2010 07:30AM

Fossil said: who's the retard? the one who argues on the site? or the one that created the site with this format?

Or the one who never comments on the internet?
pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 23, 2010 04:04AM

Hey, it's an experiment.

I'm not sure what the experiment is meant to resolve. But hey, it is what it is. I think.

Anyway, yes, no matter which way you look at it, the present state of the USA is the fault of ALL Americans.

The present state of Australia is the fault of ALL Australians.

The present state of the world is the fault of EVERYBODY. There is no good, no bad, just different ideas and ideals. Just because you don't agree with something somebody is doing doesn't make you right and them wrong, it means you have a difference of opinion.

Just like it's my opinion I should be made overlord and executioner of all, some may disagree with me. Eventually, I'll reduce the numbers that do oppose me to zero, then that makes it a fact.

I look forward to the day.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 23, 2010 07:29AM

This site is even better then abcnews forums for political comments, we have pics here.
pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 23, 2010 09:53PM

Unfortunately, when I posted that comment yesterday, I did not expect to have a new Prime Minister today!

The present state of Australia is NO fault of mine. I didn't vote labour and I sure as fuck don't support a parliamentary system where you elect a party not a leader, and then they are free to change those leaders at any time.

I can't believe the ugly ginger bitch got in.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 24, 2010 07:19AM

Well I didn't vote for Odamna so it is no fault of mine either. Maybe you see some of what we are going through?
pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 24, 2010 09:47AM

It's very different.

I didn't vote for the last guy either, I totally get what you're saying, you don't like him, blah blah blah. However, your country voted for him. You may not have, but a majority did.

NOBODY. NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON. NOBODY voted for Julia Gillard, now our retard has been replaced by somebody far worse.

Yay.
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: June 24, 2010 02:39PM

the 2 are bound to work well together. totally
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Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 24, 2010 06:20PM

Yeah but the bottom line result's still the same. You didn vote for her, just like many of us didn vote for the interloper in charge, but we wound up with 'em in office just the same.

BTW, in the US the Electoral College, not the popular vote actually decides the winner in the presidential elections. It's a convoluted and antiquated process but that's what we have, so .... totally
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pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 24, 2010 07:42PM

The upshot is not the same though.

"You didn't vote for her, like many didn't vote for Obama".

Many? Yes. All? No.

Regardless of the electoral college (which, along with party nominations is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of), he had a LOT of votes. Tens of millions of them. This is the difference. I wasn't complaining when Kevin Rudd got in, even though I didn't vote for him and frankly I think he was fucking up the country. Just like you guys think of Obama.

What I take issue with is the fact that his political party gave him the boot and replaced him with a new leader, with absolutely ZERO consultation or input from the people. As I said - not one single person in the entire country voted for her to be its leader. We didn't go to the polls. It was decided for us.

I think there's a pretty significant difference between that and not liking the guy who was elected within the confines of the system (which many would also argue Bush wasn't within those same constraints).



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 24/06/2010 07:45PM by pulse.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 29, 2010 06:24AM

At least we have an opportunity to start changing things in November by removing everyone from office who is there now. I guess you guys don't have that opportunity, sorry for that. I can only hope that all Americans will take this opportunity to stop the downfall here.