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Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: November 05, 2007 09:03AM

Hope this one dudn get jerked like the others that have been posted here of late (with no explanation for why!) hot smiley

Here's a link to a vid that gave me a chuckle too : []

Like President Reagan said years ago "one of the scariest things an American can hear is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."

Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 05, 2007 10:26AM

Here, he has already made over ONE MILLION DOLLARS, so far, thats Nov 5th, 12am to 9am!

Donate Today, Nov 5th or any day!

Look at Straw Poll Results, the bottom of the list is more 2nd, 3rd and 4th place, now check the top again, 1! Sure are lots of 1's........


Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 05, 2007 10:46AM

Ron Paul, the last, True Patriot..... it's long but read as much as you can from a speech that Ron Paul gave before the "U.S. House of Representatives, May 22, 2007"......

Jefferson would be proud!

"Patriotism" By Ron Paul

Madam Speaker, for some, patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. For others, it means dissent against a government's abuse of the people's rights.

I have never met a politician in Washington or any American, for that matter, who chose to be called unpatriotic. Nor have I met anyone who did not believe he wholeheartedly supported our troops, wherever they may be.

What I have heard all too frequently from various individuals are sharp accusations that, because their political opponents disagree with them on the need for foreign military entanglements, they were unpatriotic, un-American evildoers deserving contempt.

The original American patriots were those individuals brave enough to resist with force the oppressive power of King George. I accept the definition of patriotism as that effort to resist oppressive state power.

The true patriot is motivated by a sense of responsibility and out of self-interest for himself, his family, and the future of his country to resist government abuse of power. He rejects the notion that patriotism means obedience to the state. Resistance need not be violent, but the civil disobedience that might be required involves confrontation with the state and invites possible imprisonment.

Peaceful, nonviolent revolutions against tyranny have been every bit as successful as those involving military confrontation. Mahatma Gandhi and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., achieved great political successes by practicing nonviolence, and yet they suffered physically at the hands of the state. But whether the resistance against government tyrants is nonviolent or physically violent, the effort to overthrow state oppression qualifies as true patriotism.

True patriotism today has gotten a bad name, at least from the government and the press. Those who now challenge the unconstitutional methods of imposing an income tax on us, or force us to use a monetary system designed to serve the rich at the expense of the poor are routinely condemned. These American patriots are sadly looked down upon by many. They are never praised as champions of liberty as Gandhi and Martin Luther King have been.

Liberals, who withhold their taxes as a protest against war, are vilified as well, especially by conservatives. Unquestioned loyalty to the state is especially demanded in times of war. Lack of support for a war policy is said to be unpatriotic. Arguments against a particular policy that endorses a war, once it is started, are always said to be endangering the troops in the field. This, they blatantly claim, is unpatriotic, and all dissent must stop. Yet, it is dissent from government policies that defines the true patriot and champion of liberty.

It is conveniently ignored that the only authentic way to best support the troops is to keep them out of dangerous undeclared no-win wars that are politically inspired. Sending troops off to war for reasons that are not truly related to national security and, for that matter, may even damage our security, is hardly a way to patriotically support the troops.

Who are the true patriots, those who conform or those who protest against wars without purpose? How can it be said that blind support for a war, no matter how misdirected the policy, is the duty of a patriot?

Randolph Bourne said that, "War is the health of the state.'' With war, he argued, the state thrives. Those who believe in the powerful state see war as an opportunity. Those who mistrust the people and the market for solving problems have no trouble promoting a "war psychology'' to justify the expansive role of the state. This includes the role the Federal Government plays in our lives, as well as in our economic transactions.

Certainly, the neoconservative belief that we have a moral obligation to spread American values worldwide through force justifies the conditions of war in order to rally support at home for the heavy hand of government. It is through this policy, it should surprise no one, that our liberties are undermined. The economy becomes overextended, and our involvement worldwide becomes prohibited. Out of fear of being labeled unpatriotic, most of the citizens become compliant and accept the argument that some loss of liberty is required to fight the war in order to remain safe.

This is a bad trade-off, in my estimation, especially when done in the name of patriotism. Loyalty to the state and to autocratic leaders is substituted for true patriotism; that is, a willingness to challenge the state and defend the country, the people and the culture. The more difficult the times, the stronger the admonition comes that the leaders be not criticized.

Because the crisis atmosphere of war supports the growth of the state, any problem invites an answer by declaring war, even on social and economic issues. This elicits patriotism in support of various government solutions, while enhancing the power of the state. Faith in government coercion and a lack of understanding of how free societies operate encourages big-government liberals and big-government conservatives to manufacture a war psychology to demand political loyalty for domestic policy just as is required in foreign affairs.

The long-term cost in dollars spent and liberties lost is neglected as immediate needs are emphasized. It is for this reason that we have multiple perpetual wars going on simultaneously. Thus, the war on drugs, the war against gun ownership, the war against poverty, the war against illiteracy, the war against terrorism, as well as our foreign military entanglements are endless.

All this effort promotes the growth of statism at the expense of liberty. A government designed for a free society should do the opposite, prevent the growth of statism and preserve liberty.

Once a war of any sort is declared, the message is sent out not to object or you will be declared unpatriotic. Yet, we must not forget that the true patriot is the one who protests in spite of the consequences. Condemnation or ostracism or even imprisonment may result.

Nonviolent protesters of the Tax Code are frequently imprisoned, whether they are protesting the code's unconstitutionality or the war that the tax revenues are funding. Resisters to the military draft or even to Selective Service registration are threatened and imprisoned for challenging this threat to liberty.

Statism depends on the idea that the government owns us and citizens must obey. Confiscating the fruits of our labor through the income tax is crucial to the health of the state. The draft, or even the mere existence of the Selective Service, emphasizes that we will march off to war at the state's pleasure.

A free society rejects all notions of involuntary servitude, whether by draft or the confiscation of the fruits of our labor through the personal income tax. A more sophisticated and less well-known technique for enhancing the state is the manipulation and transfer of wealth through the fiat monetary system operated by the secretive Federal Reserve.

Protesters against this unconstitutional system of paper money are considered unpatriotic criminals and at times are imprisoned for their beliefs. The fact that, according to the Constitution, only gold and silver are legal tender and paper money outlawed matters little. The principle of patriotism is turned on its head. Whether it's with regard to the defense of welfare spending at home, confiscatory income tax, or an immoral monetary system or support for a war fought under false pretense without a legal declaration, the defenders of liberty and the Constitution are portrayed as unpatriotic, while those who support these programs are seen as the patriots.

If there is a war going on, supporting the state's effort to win the war is expected at all costs, no dissent. The real problem is that those who love the state too often advocate policies that lead to military action. At home, they are quite willing to produce a crisis atmosphere and claim a war is needed to solve the problem. Under these conditions, the people are more willing to bear the burden of paying for the war and to carelessly sacrifice liberties, which they are told is necessary.

The last 6 years have been quite beneficial to the health of the state, which comes at the expense of personal liberty. Every enhanced unconstitutional power of the state can only be achieved at the expense of individual liberty. Even though in every war in which we have been engaged civil liberties have suffered, some have been restored after the war ended, but never completely. That has resulted in a steady erosion of our liberties over the past 200 years. Our government was originally designed to protect our liberties, but it has now, instead, become the usurper of those liberties.

We currently live in the most difficult of times for guarding against an expanding central government with a steady erosion of our freedoms. We are continually being reminded that 9/11 has changed everything.

Unfortunately, the policy that needed most to be changed, that is, our policy of foreign interventionism, has only been expanded. There is no pretense any longer that a policy of humility in foreign affairs, without being the world's policemen and engaging in nation building, is worthy of consideration.

We now live in a post-9/11 America where our government is going to make us safe no matter what it takes. We are expected to grin and bear it and adjust to every loss of our liberties in the name of patriotism and security.

Though the majority of Americans initially welcomed the declared effort to make us safe, and we are willing to sacrifice for the cause, more and more Americans are now becoming concerned about civil liberties being needlessly and dangerously sacrificed.

The problem is that the Iraq war continues to drag on, and a real danger of it spreading exists. There is no evidence that a truce will soon be signed in Iraq or in the war on terror or the war on drugs. Victory is not even definable. If Congress is incapable of declaring an official war, it is impossible to know when it will end. We have been fully forewarned that the world conflict in which we are now engaged will last a long, long time.

The war mentality and the pervasive fear of an unidentified enemy allows for a steady erosion of our liberties, and, with this, our respect for self-reliance and confidence is lost. Just think of the self-sacrifice and the humiliation we go through at the airport screening process on a routine basis. Though there is no scientific evidence of any likelihood of liquids and gels being mixed on an airplane to make a bomb, billions of dollars are wasted throwing away toothpaste and hair spray, and searching old women in wheelchairs.

Our enemies say boo, and we jump, we panic, and then we punish ourselves. We are worse than a child being afraid of the dark. But in a way, the fear of indefinable terrorism is based on our inability to admit the truth about why there is a desire by a small number of angry radical Islamists to kill Americans. It is certainly not because they are jealous of our wealth and freedoms.

We fail to realize that the extremists, willing to sacrifice their own lives to kill their enemies, do so out of a sense of weakness and desperation over real and perceived attacks on their way of life, their religion, their country, and their natural resources. Without the conventional diplomatic or military means to retaliate against these attacks, and an unwillingness of their own government to address the issue, they resort to the desperation tactic of suicide terrorism. Their anger toward their own governments, which they believe are coconspirators with the American Government, is equal to or greater than that directed toward us.

These errors in judgment in understanding the motive of the enemy and the constant fear that is generated have brought us to this crisis where our civil liberties and privacy are being steadily eroded in the name of preserving national security.

We may be the economic and the military giant of the world, but the effort to stop this war on our liberties here at home in the name of patriotism is being lost.

The erosion of our personal liberties started long before 9/11, but 9/11 accelerated the process. There are many things that motivate those who pursue this course, both well-intentioned and malevolent, but it would not happen if the people remained vigilant, understood the importance of individual rights, and were unpersuaded that a need for security justifies the sacrifice for liberty, even if it is just now and then.

The true patriot challenges the state when the state embarks on enhancing its power at the expense of the individual. Without a better understanding and a greater determination to rein in the state, the rights of Americans that resulted from the revolutionary break from the British and the writing of the Constitution will disappear.

The record since September 11th is dismal. Respect for liberty has rapidly deteriorated. Many of the new laws passed after 9/11 had, in fact, been proposed long before that attack. The political atmosphere after that attack simply made it more possible to pass such legislation. The fear generated by 9/11 became an opportunity for those seeking to promote the power of the state domestically, just as it served to falsely justify the long-planned invasion of Iraq.

The war mentality was generated by the Iraq war in combination with the constant drumbeat of fear at home. Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, who is now likely residing in Pakistan, our supposed ally, are ignored, as our troops fight and die in Iraq and are made easier targets for the terrorists in their backyard. While our leaders constantly use the mess we created to further justify the erosion of our constitutional rights here at home, we forget about our own borders and support the inexorable move toward global government, hardly a good plan for America.

The accelerated attacks on liberty started quickly after 9/11. Within weeks, the PATRIOT Act was overwhelmingly passed by Congress. Though the final version was unavailable up to a few hours before the vote, no Member had sufficient time to study it. Political fear of not doing something, even something harmful, drove the Members of Congress to not question the contents, and just voted for it. A little less freedom for a little more perceived safety was considered a fair trade-off, and the majority of Americans applauded.

The PATRIOT Act, though, severely eroded the system of checks and balances by giving the government the power to spy on law-abiding citizens without judicial supervision. The several provisions that undermine the liberties of all Americans include sneak-and-peek searches, a broadened and more vague definition of domestic terrorism, allowing the FBI access to library and bookstore records without search warrants or probable cause, easier FBI initiation of wiretaps and searches, as well as roving wiretaps, easier access to information on American citizens' use of the Internet, and easier access to e-mail and financial records of all American citizens.

The attack on privacy has not relented over the past 6 years. The Military Commissions Act is a particularly egregious piece of legislation and, if not repealed, will change America for the worse as the powers unconstitutionally granted to the executive branch are used and abused. This act grants excessive authority to use secretive military commissions outside of places where active hostilities are going on. The Military Commissions Act permits torture, arbitrary detention of American citizens as unlawful enemy combatants at the full discretion of the President and without the right of habeas corpus, and warrantless searches by the NSA. It also gives to the President the power to imprison individuals based on secret testimony.

Since 9/11, Presidential signing statements designating portions of legislation that the President does not intend to follow, though not legal under the Constitution, have enormously multiplied. Unconstitutional Executive Orders are numerous and mischievous and need to be curtailed.

Extraordinary rendition to secret prisons around the world have been widely engaged in, though obviously extralegal.

A growing concern in the post-9/11 environment is the Federal Government's list of potential terrorists based on secret evidence. Mistakes are made, and sometimes it is virtually impossible to get one's name removed even though the accused is totally innocent of any wrongdoing.

A national ID card is now in the process of being implemented. It is called the REAL ID card, and it is tied to our Social Security numbers and our State driver's license. If REAL ID is not stopped, it will become a national driver's license ID for all Americans. We will be required to carry our papers.

Some of the least-noticed and least-discussed changes in the law were the changes made to the Insurrection Act of 1807 and to posse comitatus by the Defense Authorization Act of 2007. These changes pose a threat to the survival of our Republic by giving the President the power to declare martial law for as little reason as to restore public order. The 1807 act severely restricted the President in his use of the military within the United States borders, and the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 strengthened these restrictions with strict oversight by Congress. The new law allows the President to circumvent the restrictions of both laws. The Insurrection Act has now become the "Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act.'' This is hardly a title that suggests that the authors cared about or understood the nature of a constitutional Republic.

Now, martial law can be declared not just for insurrection, but also for natural disasters, public health reasons, terrorist attacks or incidents, or for the vague reason called "other conditions.'' The President can call up the National Guard without congressional approval or the Governors' approval, and even send these State Guard troops into other States.

The American Republic is in remnant status. The stage is set for our country eventually devolving into a military dictatorship, and few seem to care. These precedent-setting changes in the law are extremely dangerous and will change American jurisprudence forever if not revised. The beneficial results of our revolt against the King's abuses are about to be eliminated, and few Members of Congress and few Americans are aware of the seriousness of the situation. Complacency and fear drive our legislation without any serious objection by our elected leaders. Sadly, though, those few who do object to this self-evident trend away from personal liberty and empire-building overseas are portrayed as unpatriotic and uncaring.

Though welfare and socialism always fails, opponents of them are said to lack compassion. Though opposition to totally unnecessary war should be the only moral position, the rhetoric is twisted to claim that patriots who oppose the war are not supporting the troops. The cliché "Support the Troops'' is incessantly used as a substitute for the unacceptable notion of supporting the policy, no matter how flawed it may be.

Unsound policy can never help the troops. Keeping the troops out of harm's way and out of wars unrelated to our national security is the only real way of protecting the troops. With this understanding, just who can claim the title of "patriot''?

Before the war in the Middle East spreads and becomes a world conflict for which we will be held responsible, or the liberties of all Americans become so suppressed we can no longer resist, much has to be done. Time is short, but our course of action should be clear. Resistance to illegal and unconstitutional usurpation of our rights is required. Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes.

But let it not be said that we did nothing. Let not those who love the power of the welfare/warfare state label the dissenters of authoritarianism as unpatriotic or uncaring. Patriotism is more closely linked to dissent than it is to conformity and a blind desire for safety and security. Understanding the magnificent rewards of a free society makes us unbashful in its promotion, fully realizing that maximum wealth is created and the greatest chance for peace comes from a society respectful of individual liberty.

This is the Ron Paul site.... []
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 05, 2007 11:00AM

Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 05, 2007 12:10PM

We already know you're a lazy bastard "ZZZZZZ boy"!

You'd better wake up!

People don't even care what laws are passed and what those laws are doing and have done, "Politicians" are not on your side, see.....

Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 05, 2007 04:01PM

I support the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party in not wanting to have Bleu Hitler getting busted for not wanting contrived Governor Appreciation Award and faked contrived College Degrees ! It must be Government Plot with others to deprive him of his freedom in Amerika ! Guten Abend !- Foreword by Dr. Susan Block -Beverly Hills , Educators , and Medical Professionals , and duped Law Enforcement -Guten Nacht ! -Sieg , Kegel Beer !
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: November 05, 2007 07:54PM

what is it with asswipes that feel it's their duty to "inform" everyone of their political beliefs?

quit jacking everyone elses threads and create your own.... if you have any imagination left
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment
Date: November 05, 2007 08:03PM

ding ding round one coming up hot smiley
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 05, 2007 08:54PM

fossil, is that all you can do is BITCH, is it that time of the month for you, anytime real information around here is passed out you come in and start your little act, if your job is to "change subjects", you suck at it.

fossil = shit-talker

Oh yeah and mind your own fucking business!
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: November 05, 2007 09:19PM

my own business? hahahaha! wtf do you think all this talk of ron paul is going to do you? anything? ron paul wants to immediately pull out of Iraq leaving the Iraqui people with their dicks in their hands to be over-run by Iran and every other asshole terrorists to what? come home and lock down our borders to prepare for the terrorists to come over here and bomb our shit on our own turf
hmmmmmmmm.and who says that a doctor has any foreign policy experience whatsoever? we might as well put a psycologist in the white house! hell thy know how to run a country.

DAMN SON! take your Ron Paul and shove him up your ass!
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: November 05, 2007 09:20PM

and by the way...if you havent noticed, I LIVE HERE!
all ron paul is good for is taking votes away from the dumbass liberals

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fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: November 05, 2007 09:30PM

he might get as many votes as dumbass ross perot
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: November 06, 2007 12:03AM

Geez dude, what happened to the idea this was a forum to espouse thoughts and beliefs along with the pics ? BTW, who the fuck put sand in the vaseline jar on the fossil night stand this mornin ?

I'll tell anyone with a brain to take a look at the ideologies Ron Paul uses as a basis for his platform in hopes that some measure of sanity just might be imparted into the coming election, and that even if one chooses NOT to vote for Ron Paul that they will at least temper the choice they make with some of the constitutional reasoning he brings with him in his campaign!

This country has gone so far astray of the rights belonging to our citizenry along with what the federal governments role is supposed to be as outlined within the Constitution that to me it's time to wake the fuck up and set a course to right our path or just take the big sleepin pill the establishment would prefer we all take and simply become comfortably numb as they go about the business of eliminating the rest of our freedoms while they rape our working class in the process.

If you think any of the other Republicans or most assureadley ANY of the Democratic candidates are sane choices, more power to ya buddy. For my $$ there ain't but one that even comes close to tryin to bring the sanity that's needed to the table as a president aside from Ron Paul and that's Fred Thompson.

While it's easy to sit on the sidelines and take pot shots at candidates ideas without presenting an alternative, my question is, WTF's the point in that form of mental masturbation ? Either present a rational dissenting opinion with a candidate choice positioned to embrace that ideology or stay outta the fray!

Lastly if you think our current ideologies on the war in Iraq or our posturing towards an invasion of Iran are good ideas and that Ron Pauls ideas are irrational I suggest you study a bit more about human nature, the roots of terrorism and look at one very curious aspect of support his campaign has mustered. Ron Paul is currently receiving a major share of his funding from retired and former military personnel, reportedly more so than ANY other candidate. If his war ideologies are so misguided would this seem a reasonable outcome of his position in those folks eyes ??

Keep on hawkin whatever platform and candidate you desire to align yourself with, but please do so from a posture of educated empowerment, not just spewing more of the same misguided crap that's already plentiful in every other candidates camp about Ron Paul.

I will say that if you agree with the concept of "nation building" in Iraq or anywhere else on the globe by the US I'd like to invite you to cite even ONE SINGLE example of success in such an endeavor in this century by the US government.

In truth all we seem to achieve in such efforts from my perspective is the generation of MORE enemies, not fewer of them, and if that seems like some form of protection for the American people I'm sorry to say we'll simply have to agree to disagree ol buddy smileys
with beer


Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 06/11/2007 01:50AM by Mrkim.
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 06, 2007 02:53AM

with beerhot smiley
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 06, 2007 10:39AM

Anonymous Wrote:
> We already know you're a lazy bastard "ZZZZZZ
> boy"!
> You'd better wake up!
> People don't even care what laws are passed and
> what those laws are doing and have done,
> "Politicians" are not on your side, see.....
> []

Hey poster, are you and Ron Paul Butthole buddies ? the finger
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: November 06, 2007 11:59AM

hey Kim man, i don't give a rats ass what anyone's political or religious beliefs are. and neither should you. you of all people should know what this guy stands for, after all he represents our great state. he has no want whatsoever to work with the existing government to rectify any of the problems out there, only to shove his own agenda down the throats of the American people and the world. all he does is act like a complete overhaul on the system is needed and claims that he is the man to do it. sounds just like every other bull shit politicians campaign slogan crap. as soon as he gets in office (which will never happen) he will fall right into line sacrificing everything he "promised" he would change in his "run for the gold".

you people aren't sheep, don't act like one unless you want me to kick you in the nuts.
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 06, 2007 02:10PM

What classic fossil (liar) shit-talk.....the finger
smileythe finger
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vvvvvvvvvvvvvv There are other posts where fossil says Ron Paul has good views,BUT, he's not gonna win. Here's 1! fossil, were you on vacation?


Here, just in case that one disappears....

[,1176190041,older+ron+paul+f or+president+plus613&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1" rel="nofollow" >]

It's simple, check Ron Pauls records, he votes the way he speaks, fossil knows that, BUT, now Ron continues to move forward, so, now it's time to attack him, propaganda101.

Why don't any of fossils apostles speak up, usually he shit-talks and you egomaniacs chime in and laugh, he handles you followers very well, just like a Bush Jr. Jr., I know, you guys don't want to disappoint fossil when you don't agree so you just keep your mouths shut, see............. it works..... on you!





Ron Pauls only agenda is FREEDOM, not the good kind, not the bad kind, just freedom!

Don't believe a word I say about Ron Paul, look up some official stuff and dig in, his history will provide you with his view of the future!

And Mrkim, Fred Thompson (CFR Member/Big Business)!....... he is the opposite of Ron Paul!
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Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Show me another Politician that can even PROVE (not say) 50% of those things. You can't!
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: November 06, 2007 04:29PM

i like ron paul don't get me wrong, BUT AS USUAL I DON'T COMPLETELY AGREE WITH HIM OR ANYONE ELSE. I HAVE MY BELIEFS AND YOU HAVE YOURS. SO WHAT. but as usual you anonymice think you could change someones mind with a buncha "you stooge" videos? GIMME A FUCKIN BREAK! are you idiots that fucking stupid? i sure hope not.

also i do not read long winded comments or for that matter watch any dumbass videos trying to change my mind or anyone elses.

shit talk? lmfao! what do you call all the shit you post? fact? hahahaha fuck you!
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: November 06, 2007 05:10PM

hahahaha!i couldn't resist clicking your link to this site.
because i said,"good man. thumbs
down" i'm supposed to completely agree with what he is and believes? hell i even helped him get elected (my vote) to a state position NOT a presidential seat, nor do i think there is a possibility that he would be even close to good president/commander in chief. he proved that with his want to withdraw immediately from Iraq (the worst course of action for the US and the world in general)

all this talk of he didn't do this or that proves nothing as to whether or not he would be a good pres. but on the other hand proves that if by some incredible long shot he does get elected that he would not get anything at all done, and proves that absolutely nothing would get done at all. total gridlock in the house and senate.
if we pull out of Iraq, we will be doomed to several 9/11's, and i for 1 will be blaming everyone of you dipshits for the mayhem and destruction to come.

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fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: November 06, 2007 05:15PM

oh i forgot, be sure to post some more videos, i can't quit laughing at your poor excuse for an arguement. smiling
bouncing smiley
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: November 06, 2007 08:08PM

no snappy comeback anonymouse?



reality sucks huh?
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: November 06, 2007 10:51PM

Sorry to take so long gettin back here, long day at the shop.

Response ? Still waitin on your example of successful nation building myself. Found one yet ?

Fossil, I do have to capitulate a lot of your points, yet it's only the reality of a totally fucked up congress in general that would make achieving his stated platform goals a difficulty. As I'm sure you're aware the Administative branch only has so much juice and all things would of congressional necessity require being run through the congress for approval, so on that point we're in agreement.

I do feel he's enough of man of his stated word that his goals are not only right in their intended purpose, a return of our federal government to its Constitutionally outlined purposes and away from the rights and freedoms robbing tactics it currently employs, but that he would work diligently to achieve them while in office, no matter how hard the fight with congress might be.

Back to the topic of our foreign policy I'd really like to know why anyone thinks this ill fated "world policeman" shit we've been involved in for the best part of the past century and now into another one is a reasonable or even worthy course of action ?

If people outside our shores do things our government takes issue with it seems like it's really none our fuckin business to me ! When the countries within Africa decide to have civil wars and annihilate one another I really don't get how that's any of our business as a country, and the same can be said of South American countries or even the shit in Bosnia/Serbia or anywhere else.

But, let's try lookin at this all from the devils advocate side of things in an attempt to drive this point home Ok ?

In all the world the only possible adversaries capable of imposing their will against the US would be China or Russia, but just for a hypothetical agrument, let's suppose these 2 countries banded together and decided they took serious issue with the actions of our President or government and decided to slap on the "world cop" hat and launched a military campaign on OUR shores to impose THEIR agendas on us as a nation.

Such a combined foe would certainly be a helluva lot to handle, even for the mighty US military and the citizenry and all the weapons and ammo we as a people currently hold, but you can bet your ass we'd be fighting tooth and nail to save OUR country and acquiesence to the intended plan by our enemies would be the farthest thing from most Americans minds, right ?

So ... there we'd be as a nation doin every subversive activity ever known to combat. US military operations would abound with civilian troops right at their sides, IEDs would abound, sabotage of everything possible against our aggressors troops would be undertaken and even suicide missions would be a part of it all too because we as a people BELIEVE in the rights of OUR country and the freedoms we enjoy and embrace and we'd FIGHT LIKE HELL to keep 'em, most especially if we had foreign troops on OUR soil !

The point here is that if the shoe were on the other foot and WE were the ones being overrun by foreign forces trying to impose THEIR will on US we would react no differently than do people in other countries where OUR government and military attempt to impose OUR will/ agenda on THEM.

With this ideology in mind is it really so hard to realistically envision how we've made so many enemies internationally and how people all over the world who have experienced these actions by our forces and our government hold us as a nation in such great contempt ? Does this type of activity still realisically seem like a rational course of action if you view this issue in this light?

Bring our troops home from Iraq ? Fuckin A ! We already deposed Saddam and he's dead now too, and not even by our hands, which is a BIG plus as that would have only made him a martyr and our struggles there even MORE dificult if we had killed him.

Honestly though I don't see that we needed to have even gone that far since his actions only effected his own people and neighbors, which, last time I looked, none of 'em were on our shores anyway, so what right did we have to invade their contry anyway other than the seemingly misguided claim of WMDs that have never materialized and the claims that we would be protecting ourselves from future aggressions by attempting to take out terroristic forces harbored within Iraq.

Though we've helped people in Iraq by removing an oppressive dictator and by working to rebuild some of their infrastructure, we also had a great deal to do with having a need to rebuild their shit 'cause WE blew it up to begin with. And we've likely alienated thousands if not hundreds of thousands or millions of the Iraqi by the death and destruction we've dealt their country in our attempts at "freeing" them. My bet is we have more enemies in Iraq today than we had before the 1st American soldier set foot there and I fail to see that as good for the US and I damned sure can't envision this shit as progress by any stretch of the imagination thumbs up

So ... forgive my seeming misguided attempts (in your thoughts anyway) at installing a President who's not bent on continuing such a path.

ORLANDO399 Report This Comment
Date: November 07, 2007 12:11AM

I'm to busy wanking off to this
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 07, 2007 10:41AM

Looks like a Tranny...drinking
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: November 07, 2007 11:27AM

probably 'cause you've never had a real woman. plastic and rubber don't count. drinking
sticking out smiley
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: November 07, 2007 11:33AM

kim i think you and i agree on just about all those points except that ron paul is the one to fix things. working against the grain will get us nowhere fast.
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 07, 2007 12:20PM

We're already nowhere! Why?! Because the general population already "went with the grain" (Bush Grain - Lies - Propaganda) .

Mrkim, hopefully you were just, "not stooping down to his level", with your response, hopefully it wasn't ass kissing, he went off like this the finger
smiley and downright told you how to be and you crawled back in moody
smiley....... We'll see.
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 07, 2007 12:23PM

I guess fossil hates George Carlin now too.....

Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 07, 2007 01:06PM

Anybody that talks shit about Ron has an agenda, watch this and tell me why you wouldn't vote for him!

Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 07, 2007 02:12PM

Anybody that talks shit about Bush has an agenda, watch this and tell me why you wouldn't vote for him!

Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 07, 2007 02:16PM

fossil_digger Wrote:
> probably 'cause you've never had a real woman.
> plastic and rubber don't count. drinking
sticking out smiley

Darn!, what about chickens ? drinking
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: November 07, 2007 04:39PM

strange that people wamt to influence my political decisions. do i really hold some sorta clout somewhee? let me know where, i'd like to visit some day.

and i do like george carlin. i assume the link you posted (i didn't look. surprised?) is the one where he says that "politicians don't give a fuck about you not one bit". yes i've seen it before.

when Ron Paul gets drilled in the polls he can start up a "watchdog" group or something constructive. eye rolling
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: November 08, 2007 08:54AM

I have no desire to sway anyone in any particular direction. What I do enjoy however is attempting to allow others a differing viewpoint that possibly could enable a more rounded perspective for one to view issues from winking

To whomever anon above who queried the possibility that I would partake in some form of ass kissing ..... surely you jest. As one schooled early on in the finer points of debate I was taught that stooping to name calling or involving emotion into such enterprises immediately hands the opposing camp a victory. Debate is an intellectual exercise that must remain free of such things to have any opportunity for success.

The only ass kissin I ever involve myself in is with my G/F and in such cases it's a literal rather than figurative action grinning

Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: November 08, 2007 09:11AM

fossil_digger Wrote:
> kim i think you and i agree on just about all
> those points except that ron paul is the one to
> fix things. working against the grain will get us
> nowhere fast.

I adopted a view on such things some time back that follows : Positive progress always comes from making difficult choices involving forethought and will. Forging such a path is often fraught with challenging obstacles and hard choices, yet the easiest path to follow is seldom the best choice one can make when attempting change smiling

Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 08, 2007 09:23PM

with beer
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: November 08, 2007 11:30PM



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Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: November 09, 2007 05:11PM

whatever! I liked John Lennon, not his Bitch wife though.

It'd be nice, but that shit doesn't work, it's been.......... well...........proven....look around, all that peace and love and it's worse than it's ever been......."the system" is king......






the finger
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment
Date: November 09, 2007 10:37PM

John lennon[imagine] of the best everthumbs