Sorry to take so long gettin back here, long day at the shop.

Response ? Still waitin on your example of successful nation building myself. Found one yet ?

Fossil, I do have to capitulate a lot of your points, yet it's only the reality of a totally fucked up congress in general that would make achieving his stated platform goals a difficulty. As I'm sure you're aware the Administative branch only has so much juice and all things would of congressional necessity require being run through the congress for approval, so on that point we're in agreement.

I do feel he's enough of man of his stated word that his goals are not only right in their intended purpose, a return of our federal government to its Constitutionally outlined purposes and away from the rights and freedoms robbing tactics it currently employs, but that he would work diligently to achieve them while in office, no matter how hard the fight with congress might be.

Back to the topic of our foreign policy I'd really like to know why anyone thinks this ill fated "world policeman" shit we've been involved in for the best part of the past century and now into another one is a reasonable or even worthy course of action ?

If people outside our shores do things our government takes issue with it seems like it's really none our fuckin business to me ! When the countries within Africa decide to have civil wars and annihilate one another I really don't get how that's any of our business as a country, and the same can be said of South American countries or even the shit in Bosnia/Serbia or anywhere else.

But, let's try lookin at this all from the devils advocate side of things in an attempt to drive this point home Ok ?

In all the world the only possible adversaries capable of imposing their will against the US would be China or Russia, but just for a hypothetical agrument, let's suppose these 2 countries banded together and decided they took serious issue with the actions of our President or government and decided to slap on the "world cop" hat and launched a military campaign on OUR shores to impose THEIR agendas on us as a nation.

Such a combined foe would certainly be a helluva lot to handle, even for the mighty US military and the citizenry and all the weapons and ammo we as a people currently hold, but you can bet your ass we'd be fighting tooth and nail to save OUR country and acquiesence to the intended plan by our enemies would be the farthest thing from most Americans minds, right ?

So ... there we'd be as a nation doin every subversive activity ever known to combat. US military operations would abound with civilian troops right at their sides, IEDs would abound, sabotage of everything possible against our aggressors troops would be undertaken and even suicide missions would be a part of it all too because we as a people BELIEVE in the rights of OUR country and the freedoms we enjoy and embrace and we'd FIGHT LIKE HELL to keep 'em, most especially if we had foreign troops on OUR soil !

The point here is that if the shoe were on the other foot and WE were the ones being overrun by foreign forces trying to impose THEIR will on US we would react no differently than do people in other countries where OUR government and military attempt to impose OUR will/ agenda on THEM.

With this ideology in mind is it really so hard to realistically envision how we've made so many enemies internationally and how people all over the world who have experienced these actions by our forces and our government hold us as a nation in such great contempt ? Does this type of activity still realisically seem like a rational course of action if you view this issue in this light?

Bring our troops home from Iraq ? Fuckin A ! We already deposed Saddam and he's dead now too, and not even by our hands, which is a BIG plus as that would have only made him a martyr and our struggles there even MORE dificult if we had killed him.

Honestly though I don't see that we needed to have even gone that far since his actions only effected his own people and neighbors, which, last time I looked, none of 'em were on our shores anyway, so what right did we have to invade their contry anyway other than the seemingly misguided claim of WMDs that have never materialized and the claims that we would be protecting ourselves from future aggressions by attempting to take out terroristic forces harbored within Iraq.

Though we've helped people in Iraq by removing an oppressive dictator and by working to rebuild some of their infrastructure, we also had a great deal to do with having a need to rebuild their shit 'cause WE blew it up to begin with. And we've likely alienated thousands if not hundreds of thousands or millions of the Iraqi by the death and destruction we've dealt their country in our attempts at "freeing" them. My bet is we have more enemies in Iraq today than we had before the 1st American soldier set foot there and I fail to see that as good for the US and I damned sure can't envision this shit as progress by any stretch of the imagination

So ... forgive my seeming misguided attempts (in your thoughts anyway) at installing a President who's not bent on continuing such a path.