whatever Report This Comment Date: May 29, 2013 09:56AM
effing says it all...
Ideocracy is reality nowadays!
quasi Report This Comment Date: May 29, 2013 12:17PM
Not saying this is necessarily wrong but there is a difference between giving
away stolen information and giving away information that people just hand over
to you.
Mach Report This Comment Date: May 30, 2013 06:23AM
Come on quas,
giving away stolen information sounds kinda Robin
Hoodish..... and the other side here is not giving away
personal
information, he's
selling it, and that includes to, government
agencies.
I understand what you're saying, stolen is stolen, but it's from underhanded
governments that, are doing as much as they can behind the scenes to keep us
from knowing what they are really doing to us and our future generations.....
etc... etc... etc....
jgoins Report This Comment Date: May 30, 2013 10:37AM
common sense would tell you to never put anything on the internet you don't
want somebody to see. Why does it matter if Facebook sells the information they
gather from users, I never put anything on my Facebook I care about keeping
secret. For instance, if you grow pot never put pics of your grow on Facebook
or anywhere on the internet. Nothing on the internet can be considered private
nor should it ever be perceived that way.
Mach Report This Comment Date: May 30, 2013 10:21PM
Do you really believe the only information they get from you is, what you give
to them?
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usatoday30.usatoday.com]
EVERYTHING IS SELF
Make people happy by satisfying their internal urges (SELF) and they will
become docile.
[
www.youtube.com]
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: May 31, 2013 01:25AM
The internet does not function according to common sense.
blinkermann Report This Comment Date: May 31, 2013 02:02AM
Wiki-leaks is like Robin Hood, an unethical anarchist sort of Robin Hood.
Facebook is like a drug pusher, giving people stuff they want and getting them
hooked, acting like a friend, but treating users with distain.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: May 31, 2013 02:26AM
Julian Assange isn't an anarchist. I wouldn't call him unethical either, his
ethics are different.
pulse Report This Comment Date: May 31, 2013 05:35AM
I've met him a couple of times. Douche springs to mind before anarchist
That said, the charges against him are obviously bullshit. Sweden has very weird
laws. Effectively having unprotected sex without permission. Fine, it's morally
and even legally wrong. But I can't imagine interpol or the high court getting
involved if it were you or me....
jgoins Report This Comment Date: May 31, 2013 11:03AM
I still don't see the problem. Is it that you don't want anyone to know what
sites you visit on the internet? Is it that some of you might be visiting some
sites illegal in nature? My internet activity is always as though there are
feds looking over my shoulder all the time and I don't care if anyone knows I
look at porn. I never have a hankering to look up how to make a bomb or look
for child porn or any other activity which might be illegal. Maybe someone
needs to explain what the problem is exactly in single syllables so I can see
where the problem is.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: May 31, 2013 04:36PM
The problem is that information is being taken without your permission or
knowledge. It doesn't matter that you think you've got nothing to hide, that is
not the point.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: May 31, 2013 09:18PM
Concerning Julian, I don't consider hacking into private systems to be ethical
conduct at all. What I meant was that he has his own set of "ethics".
So does Zuckerberg. Considering Mark, he is doing the same thing with different
methods, I don't consider his extracting information from private systems to be
ethical conduct at all either. It is still really hacking. It's just not a
proven illegal methodology. Yet.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 31/05/2013 09:21PM by BlahX3.
blinkermann Report This Comment Date: May 31, 2013 11:34PM
I think Assanges describes himself as an anarchist. He is ceratinly against
power structures. As for his ethics . . . Whether you consider his Robin
Hoodism ethical or not, he has done some shady things. The diplomatic cables
are a different game than the corporate stuff. Some people have died. A recent
article on slate asserts that he gave information to the Belarussians and used
Wikileaks as a pawn in his Swedish legal fight instead of separating them as
other wikileakers wished.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 01, 2013 11:08AM
As I recall when I setup my facebook page they asked permission to gather
information before I could setup my page. Most websites use cookies and they
can be disabled if you don't want to view their websites. I used to go around
removing cookies weekly from my computerm now I just don't worry much about
them. There is such thing as privacy on the internet and if you think your
privacy is so important then maybe you should stay off the internet.
quasi Report This Comment Date: June 01, 2013 11:41AM
Assange is as much a power hungry ass as the governments and corporations he
attacks, as self righteous about it as a televangelist on crack. Just another
attention seeker.
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 01, 2013 12:33PM
Hang on, I didn't realise stealing user's information and selling it was an
option.
*Evil fingers* Excellent.
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: June 01, 2013 05:17PM
and then I asked what did he want for my information, and he said, about
tree-fiddy...
well it was about that time that I realized he was about 8 stories tall and was
a crustacean from the protozoic era!
and I said, God Dammit Loch Ness Monster, I ain't gonna give you no tree fiddy.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: June 01, 2013 06:06PM
Write a program to generate tons of fake private information and sell that to
the market researchers.
Mach Report This Comment Date: June 01, 2013 07:45PM
"I've met him a couple of times. Douche springs to mind before
anarchist"
- pulse
LMFAO......
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: June 01, 2013 08:21PM
From what I have read Assange seems to be more of a Marxist. I think Pulse may
have a good point though.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: June 02, 2013 03:06AM
JG, I don't think the commenters are paranoid about the matter, but online
privacy is a concern and obviously is becoming more important. If it was about
the government stealing your cookies I'm sure you'd express more concern.
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 02, 2013 05:00AM
I'm not on facebook, never had an account, so I'm not super worried about what
they do with my personal information online. I'm not a conspiracy nut or
anything - just value my privacy at about a medium level.
It shits me that there are pics on facebook with me in them, taken in public
places, and that you don't need to give any permission for them. It's one thing
to be a face in a crowd and end up on a site like this - you're relatively
anonymous (though that said, you're probably doing or near somebody doing
something stupid if you end up here).
It's another thing entirely on facebook because you can bet some asshole will
tag you in it.
Anyway, I don't really agree with what either Assange or Captain whatshisname
do. All I want is my three fiddy.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: June 02, 2013 05:17AM
Just hold out for a while then your tree-fiddy will be a
dollar-four-ninety-five.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 02, 2013 11:16AM
Well I/m pretty sure the government already has it's own tracking software all
over the internet already. It just doesn't worry me much because I know the
internet is not private at all. I also have a lot of store rewards cards and
that is basically the same thing zuckerman is doing isn't it?
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 02, 2013 11:26AM
At least my store reward cards give me rewards.. they don't just take my data
and sell it, I get gift cards or discounts in exchange for my data.
But yes, fundamentally the same.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: June 02, 2013 06:27PM
I fail to see how agreeing to participate in a rewards card deal is
fundamentally the same thing as zuckerweenie selling your facebunk info without
you knowing. Maybe that's not what you meant.
I have no doubt the gubmint is spying on people's internet usage too. That
wasn't my point. Our privacy should not be infringed by anyone, government or
corporate.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 03, 2013 10:40AM
Well I think it is just a trade off. I know running facebook is not cheap and
if we want it free then we should expect them to make money in some way to pay
for it. Even running this site is not cheap and were it not for donations I am
sure it would not be free much longer. If people don't like what facebook does
then they can always stop using it and they would soon disappear. There is
nothing free in the world and it all has to be paid for in some way or another.
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 03, 2013 01:17PM
Blah - I'd say most people know Facebook makes money from advertising, they
provide a 'free' service. Part of advertising is targeting your demographic -
thus, using your personal information to target ads at you to increase reward
for the company and the advertisers.
Facebook and a store reward card are fundamentally the same because Facebook is
selling your comments, views and pictures and your store reward card is selling
your purchase history, habits and places you shop at. Both are selling a profile
on you, doesn't really matter how it's gathered.
As I said though - at least the reward card gives me something for my data.
Facebook just gets me raped by zuckerberg.
plus613 - raping the users since 2003
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/06/2013 01:18PM by pulse.
quasi Report This Comment Date: June 03, 2013 01:41PM
My arse hurts.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: June 03, 2013 05:12PM
It is a trade off but you don't really know what information is being sold. FB
has been busted for selling info it shouldn't before. Do you think that is an
isolated occurrence? Sure there is no privacy on the internet but just because
that is the case doesn't make it right. If people don't try to protect their
rights by questioning the practices of corporations and government and insist on
accountability and change they will just continue to be violated.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 04, 2013 11:11AM
It's really pretty simple, if you don't like FB's practices then just don't use
FB. I imagine a lot of other sites do the exact same thing but they just aren't
big enough to have anyone take notice. I suspect a lot of apps we use on our
phones and tablets do the exact same thing and even more but we just don't seem
to notice. I suspect we have already started down the slippery slope with laws
and privacy years ago and are hurtling down the slope at break neck speed with
no way to stop.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: June 04, 2013 03:19PM
That's what I'm saying JG, there is more of it going on than most folks are
aware of and we have no way of knowing exactly what information about us has
been shared or sold. I don't mean the things you know you've put into an account
or online. We get profiled in many ways. Ignoring it will only allow it to
worsen. People who like using FB and other online things aren't going to stop
using them because of that, but I believe most are completely unaware of how
much privacy they have given away or has been taken from them. As you indicate,
it is already a big thing and getting bigger.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 05, 2013 10:50AM
And it's not going to get any smaller because people just don't care. It's
just like the gun control issue, people just don't care about the rights of
others if they don't have a dog in the race.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: June 05, 2013 01:36PM
Yeah, well lets not bother with putting up traffic signals since people are
still going to get into motor vehicle accidents anyway. People voicing concern
over something is what gets things done a lot of times. We can't eliminate
problems entirely but doing nothing isn't very smart.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 06, 2013 11:01AM
Well a lot of people voiced their concerns about the seatbelt law but it still
got passed because more people just didn't care and nothing is going to happen
with Facebook because people just don't care.
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 07, 2013 09:07AM
Seatbelts make sense. I find it fucking ridiculous that people fight it
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 07, 2013 10:59AM
But not wearing seatbelts hurt no one else and should be no ones business if we
choose not to wear them. Smoking in public places I sort of understand because
others are impacted and many other laws because others are impacted in most laws
but not seatbelt laws.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: June 07, 2013 04:05PM
Fighting a law that makes sense and is actually in your own best interest to
follow is just fucking stupid. It doesn't matter if it doesn't directly affect
anyone else (and in some cases I am sure it does affect others), the point of
the seat belt law is to help save lives. Following that law does no harm to you,
it does not infringe upon your freedom in any meaningful way. Protesting it is
just being anti-government for the sake of being anti-government. Don't tell me
what to do attitude with no thought. Some people in this world are actually too
stupid to do what is good for them without being told that they have to.
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: June 07, 2013 10:20PM
While unlikely it is possible for someone not wearing a seat belt to be ejected
from a vehicle in the event of a collision and for their ejected body to hit and
injure an innocent bystander...
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 08, 2013 11:00AM
Where is the sense in us having to wear seat belts and people on motorcycles
not having to wear helmets then and children hot having to wear seat belts on
school buses. It's fine to require children to wear seat belts but it should be
left up to the adults as to whether or not they choose to wear them. The seat
belt law is not about saving lives it is just another form of control over the
people by the government. Does anyone really believe the government really
wants to protect our lives. This is just another example of the people giving
away their rights because they already use seat belts and they just don't care
if it is forced on other people. This is also the way gun control will take our
guns away from us because people who don't own them will have no pony in the
race so they will not care if laws are passed to remove guns from everyone.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: June 08, 2013 03:13PM
Back closer to topic:
[
www.bloomberg.com]
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 09, 2013 10:35AM
We all like to think we would stand up to the government but if it came down to
it we would not choose to go to jail rather than giving the government the
information they want. I doubt any of us would do any different than all those
companies when faced with incarceration. The problem is not so much the
companies giving in but the government demanding the information in the first
place. Instead of getting mad at the companies we should be trying to change
the government and their practices.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: June 09, 2013 03:33PM
You have a valid point. I have no problem with making an honest buck but you
know damn well that corporations do not have our best interests in mind. The
bottom line always wins out over people.
Here's another interesting read, an official gov't statement concerning the
subject...
[
content.govdelivery.com]
Of course each of us are going to believe what we will. I just thought it would
be of interest here.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 10, 2013 11:03AM
No corporation cares about anyone unless they affect their bottom line and
facebook is no different then any other. The bottom line is the only thing that
matters to any business which is publicly traded. I say publicly traded because
businesses with share holders seem to be more bottom line oriented than a mom
and pop store. I have seen it even in Wal-Mart, they care more about their
bottom line than they do about even their own employees.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: June 10, 2013 08:11PM
Wal-mart huh? Who'd've thunkit.
