fossil_digger
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Date: June 06, 2011 09:28PM
oops! i got the wrong pic, this is the correct model:
500
i saw one of these at the pawn shop today....HOLY SHIT BATMAN!
# Model: S&W500™
# Caliber: .500 S&W Magnum®
# Capacity: 5 Rounds
# Barrel Length: 6.5" / 16.5 cm
# Front Sight: Red Ramp
# Rear Sight: Adjustable White Outline
# Overall Length: 12.875" / 32.7 cm
# Frame Size: Extra Large - Exposed Hammer
# Action: Single/Double Action
# Weight Empty: 60.7 oz / 1,720.8 g
# Grip: Synthetic
# Material: Stainless Steel Frame
Stainless Steel Cylinder
# Finish: Satin Stainless
# Purpose: Handgun Hunting
Mach
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Date: June 07, 2011 01:37AM
Yeah, I shot an Israeli Military .50 Desert Eagle over 20 years ago at an indoor range and..... DAMN!... it's like shooting a hand-cannon, it will pierce a 'bullet-proof' vest. It's got a gas-chamber built ito it just to help with the kick.
It would be fun to borrow a .50 for the day and take it out and see what it can shoot through.
Here are a couple of gun repeats for the people that haven't seen them before.
Life is Good.... again.
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Classic .50 in the earmuffs.
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I don't know how much they cost, .50, but that's the main reasons I just got a .22, $$$!
fossil_digger
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Date: June 07, 2011 01:45AM
the pawn shop wanted 999.00, i thought it was high and i was right. a new one is 1325.00
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2011 01:47AM by fossil_digger.
jgoins
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Date: June 07, 2011 10:31AM
999.00 not really to high they will get that price. I sold a Kel Tech 9mm which sells for 265.00 new for 300.00 2 weeks ago. Before that I sold a High Point 40cal which sells new for 150.00 and I got 300.00 for it. The value of any item is merely what someone will be willing to pay for it. One person may not pay 2 dollars for something but someone else may be willing to pay 200 dollars for the same thing. I have sold several guns and as long as I don't get to desperate to sell I can get the price I want for just about anything.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 07, 2011 12:48PM
pawn shops do normally pay more for hand guns than they should because they know that they can sell them easy "under the table" to whoever wants them bypassing the normal rules etc...but the history of said guns are not documented at all, and leave alot to be desired as far as maintenance and care. i never buy pawned guns of any "caliber", only from individuals that i can see their collections and how well they take care of their weapons.
jgoins
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Date: June 08, 2011 10:13AM
The pawn shops where you live must get away with murder. Pawn shops here are watched closely by the police. Even one of our gun stores was shut down by the feds for improper deals. Private sales here at the local fleamarket is less regulated but still occasionally checked by police for stolen guns and items.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 08, 2011 01:02PM
the regulations are very strict, but that doesn't stop them
jgoins
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Date: June 09, 2011 11:49AM
Sooner or later their under the tables sales will get noticed.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 09, 2011 12:34PM
i don't think they're worried, most are being supplied to the drug trade....50,000 bail?
o.k.
* note to the F.B.I. : no, i will not testify.
*
i think the thing that anti gun people don't understand is that the general population are not the ones that need to be watched like a hawk, it's the "exportation" of these weapons.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/06/2011 12:47PM by fossil_digger.
jgoins
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Date: June 10, 2011 10:23AM
The general population are not the ones who use guns for crime, it is the criminals. Criminals will always get guns no matter what the laws are, it;s just harder for us to get them for protection.
GAK67
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Date: June 10, 2011 07:16PM
@jgoins: Are you deliberately lying or simply ignorant?
"Criminals will always get guns no matter what the laws are" So by your 'logic' every criminal in every jurisdiction in the world has a gun. This patently isn't true. Even if you tone it back a bit and say that every criminal in every jurisdiction can easily get a gun, it is still wrong.
Stop trying to purport your beliefs as facts. They are only facts in your imagination.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 10, 2011 07:45PM
he's basically right, there will always be a black market.
edit; but that works for the intended legal usage as well as the intended illegal usage.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/06/2011 07:48PM by fossil_digger.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 10, 2011 11:56PM
you're as bad as toad at calling someone stupid while making yourself look even worse...congratulations.
GAK67
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Date: June 11, 2011 04:12AM
His comment was that criminals "will always get guns". He didn't say it would be possible for them to get guns, but that they would get them. Yes, a determined criminal could possibly get a gun in any jurisdiction in the world through a black market or smuggling, but that doesn't mean they will. In some jurisdictions many criminals don't bother because it is too difficult. Therefore it is not just harder for the general population, but for the criminals as well.
I do wish you were intelligent enough for me to not have to spell everything out.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 11, 2011 11:45AM
the level of difficulty of acquisition does not make either of you right.
calling someone stupid for not thinking like you...is.
how does that foot taste?
GAK67
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Date: June 11, 2011 06:54PM
You tell me what foot in mouth tastes like fossil. I didn't call you stupid for not thinking like me. I called you stupid for not being able to understand simple logic.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 11, 2011 06:57PM
i am half vulcan..and your logic is a joke.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 11, 2011 06:59PM
maybe you have some facts to back up your "logic"? or are you going to keep quoting illogical assumptions for everyone as fact?
GAK67
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Date: June 11, 2011 07:36PM
Try this for starters:
NZ Police
Some relevant quotes are:
* In overall terms firearms play only a small part in inter-personal violence in New Zealand, being used in about 1.7 percent of all violent crime.
* handguns are used in crime to a greater extent than their proportion of the national armoury
* Over the past 15 years firearm crime has increased at a slightly lower rate but generally in sympathy with violence overall.
* In terms of relative levels of firearm crime, our gun crime rate is much less than the United States, but comparable with those in Canada and Australia, the Canadian figures for gun homicide being somewhat higher, probably because of its relatively high handgun population.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 11, 2011 08:16PM
tell me you didn't just quote something from NZ news as gospel for the entire world population, or for that matter any other country?
fossil_digger
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Date: June 11, 2011 08:18PM
maybe you will pull a schmuck next and post a you stooge video?
and people wonder why i love this site.
GAK67
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Date: June 12, 2011 12:48AM
Clearly you are talking through your arse and didn't even read what I posted. It was from the NZ Police, not the media. And why shouldn't I take it from NZ - a country with tight gun control laws - when I am talking about the effects of tight gun control laws.
I had picked up that in some ways you were stupid, I just didn't realise the depth of it.
Mach
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Date: June 12, 2011 02:19AM
In overall terms firearms play only a small part in inter-personal violence in New Zealand, being used in about 1.7 percent of all violent crime.
I couldn't have said it better myself.... there's still violent crime all over the place there, they are just not allowed guns, it just goes to show...
guns don't kill people, people kill people!
fossil_digger
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Date: June 12, 2011 02:46AM
clearly you flunked outta basic temporal mechanics. maybe you should read all your posts on this subject.
i hate temporal paradoxes.
Mach
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Date: June 12, 2011 03:08AM
You call it
temporal paradoxes, I call it smart-assism.
GAK67
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Date: June 12, 2011 05:33AM
@ Mach: So what you are saying then is that as gun ownership numbers have no effect on violent crime numbers owing guns is a futile exercise for personal protection as you are just as likely to be a victim of violent crime whether there are large numbers of guns in the population or not.
Unfortunately your argument is not backed up by evidence.
jgoins
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Date: June 12, 2011 10:20AM
So Gak you are saying that in New Zealand criminals can't get guns because of the strict laws.
You are arguing semantics with me over my statement that criminals will always get guns and ignoring the substance of the statement that if criminals want to get them they will get them.
I would rather own a gun and never need it than to need one and not have it.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 12, 2011 12:14PM
i just had the funniest dream last night, and am trying to decide if it has relevance to this thread. my cousin had 2 identical twin donkeys and a Brahma bull when we were kids. all but one loved to take the kids for rides around the pasture. the one that didn't like being ridden was one of the donkeys only you could never tell which one it was without jumping on and taking off for a ride. when you tried to kick her or go to the whip, she'd turn around and try to bite you in the foot so i would crack her between the ears with the whip and she'd straighten out until you kicked her again she'd start buckin' like crazy. have you ever tried riding a buckin' donkey? it's like that fat chick in college you plugged because you were too drunk to score one of her hot friends. you just couldn't quite bring yourself to doin' her, so you flipped her over and stuck her in the ass without warning balls deep and held on tight.
GAK67
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Date: June 12, 2011 12:23PM
@jgoins: No, what I am saying is that the strict gun laws here, particularly relating to hand guns, mean that only the most determined criminals obtain them and they are not used in crimes of opportunity.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 12, 2011 12:25PM
it's a good thing your theories apply to all those people and not just a select few.
you take polls way too seriously as fact.
and you buck like a donkey
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/06/2011 12:27PM by fossil_digger.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 12, 2011 02:11PM
Nadia said is was laughing in my sleep.
i couldn't help but tell her the story.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 12, 2011 06:32PM
i cleared it with my cousin, the next male donkey born will be named Yak.
jgoins
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Date: June 13, 2011 10:23AM
So then you think those criminals who obtain guns use them for a specific crime then just toss them. You don't believe they keep them and carry them around with them until an opportunity arises to use them. Concealed weapons are like snakes, for every one you might see you passed by ten you didn't see.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 13, 2011 12:00PM
"...mean that only the most determined criminals obtain them and they are not used in crimes of opportunity."
yeah criminals aren't opportunists.
both feet in mouth at once?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 13/06/2011 03:01PM by fossil_digger.
GAK67
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Date: June 13, 2011 09:18PM
Keep going fossil - your attempts at goading me only show your ignorance and/or stupidity.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 13, 2011 09:19PM
using your own words is goating?
fossil_digger
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Date: June 13, 2011 09:42PM
oh damn, i think i misspelled that.
GAK67
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Date: June 13, 2011 10:24PM
Like I said - ignorant and/or stupid.
woberto
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Date: June 13, 2011 10:26PM
fossil_digger
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Date: June 13, 2011 10:27PM
yeah i'm an idiot, i think criminals are opportunists.
woberto
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Date: June 13, 2011 10:28PM
Gak, are you shaken but not stirred?
How close are you to Christchurch?
fossil_digger
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Date: June 13, 2011 10:30PM
and "goat" was on purpose....keep on buckin' lil donkey.
GAK67
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Date: June 14, 2011 02:05AM
Thanks for asking woberto - no where near Christchurch, thankfully. My brother and his family are down there though, but are all ok. The company I work for also has a factory there which is on the other side of the city from the epicentres so it is ok, but the site manager's house is unihabitable now - it was damaged in the February quake, but worsened in the one yesterday.
GAK67
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Date: June 14, 2011 03:40AM
@fossil: You seem to be posting two or three times to one of mine. Who's the kicking ass?
fossil_digger
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Date: June 14, 2011 04:38AM
yeah, the jokes flow pretty easy considering your "logic".
GAK67
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Date: June 14, 2011 10:10AM
Jokes?
jgoins
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Date: June 14, 2011 11:38AM
Not all criminals use guns but I would be willing to bet most have guns.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 14, 2011 11:53AM
it's not funny when they are aimed at you eh?
GAK67
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Date: June 14, 2011 06:46PM
That's not it fossil - they're just not funny, except in your own mind.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 14, 2011 06:57PM
poor yak, someday your funny bone will develop.
GAK67
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Date: June 15, 2011 07:34AM
No, still not funny. Keep trying fossil and you might be able to get at least 1 person to at least smile.
GAK67
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Date: June 15, 2011 07:35AM
Or were you being serious? It's so hard to tell.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 15, 2011 12:57PM
serious about your funny bone?
i wouldn't know.
fossil_digger
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Date: June 15, 2011 03:21PM
please don't tell me you posted it on the porn side.
