fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 05:00AM
This is from a Hispanic who lives in Texas. He's had a column in the Fort
Worth Star Telegram and as you can see, expresses himself very well.
ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL
I can almost assure you that everyone who is a true American was sickened when
you saw multitudes of protesters carrying Mexican flags protesting the new
Immigration Reform Bill in the Senate. This display of Mexican flags should give
you a heads up on where these protesters allegiance lies. Their hearts are in
Mexico and their bellies are in the United States.
As an American of Mexican Heritage I want to set the record straight. American
Hispanics are not all thrilled with illegal immigration. I, for more than 20
years, tried desperately to bring this national debacle to the attention of the
American people. I had the privilege of writing for several newspapers,
appeared on national and local TV and radio programs, and was asked by many
political groups to address this serious problem affecting my former community
(north Fort Worth), city, state, and our country. Many will question how I
can speak on this subject with some authority. My simple answer is: I lived
with the problem! Trust me, it was no picnic. Never in my life (I'm 68) had I
witnessed the lawlessness, the deterioration of my community, and the black
market criminal underground activities attributed to the influx of illegal
immigrants.
To add injury to insult, politicians soon caved in to the many demands of
illegal immigrants. Notably: bilingual education, bilingual ballots, welfare
aid, free medical care, etc. Through all this national disgrace allowed by our
politicians, have you all noticed that no one ever blames the useless, corrupt,
and disgraceful government of Mexico? In contrast, they lambaste and criticize
our country. How does that grab you?
When I addressed the dangers of our porous border between Mexico and the United
States, and the lax security of our nation, no one paid attention. As I
observed the situation, the problem was perceived to be between American
Hispanic communities and illegal immigrants. White Americans, it seemed, assumed
that the problem was not theirs to deal with. In other words they were asleep
at the wheel. However, 9-11 soon woke them up. Lets be honest with each other
here, white Americans vote in far larger numbers than Hispanics do. And most
politicians (Democrats and Republicans) in our city, state, and federal
governments are white. Thus, who is more suited to fix this national disaster?
I'm sure most of you know what the answer is.
In summation, I'm pleading with white American voters to join me in sending our
politicians (Democrats and Republicans) a strong message that we will not
tolerate illegal immigrants telling us how to make government policy that will
make it easier for them to break our laws. Hope you will join me in this
endeavor in our upcoming elections.
James H. Reza
4204 Grand Lake Lake Worth, Texas 76135
Please pass this on...it just might get to the other Veterans and VFW,
American Legions and to those that truly believe that we will not give our
country away !
Mint Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 05:44AM
seems fishy..why would he include a home address with something like that
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 05:52AM
I think my thoughts on this issue have been well documented here many times
over, much to the chagrine of the bleeding heart liberalists contention here who
seem either uneducated or at least undereducated on the political/socioeconomic
ramifications of this issue and seem content to allow continued willfull
lawlessness while happily handing out untold boatloads of our tax dollars to
illegal members of our society, and then when cornered on the issue try the old
"redirect tactic" by trying to focus attention on other issues and
their various impacts, but .....
Here's what a local retired college professor had to relate on the issue as well
....
" Illegal Immigration And Cheap Labor??
I can't figure out what rights the illigals want. They already have more rights
than those of us who live, work and pay taxes and insurance. Just what rights
are they missing??
The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no
such thing as "cheap labor."
Let's take as an example a Mexican national who illegally crosses the border
with his wife and five children and inspect the impact of his "cheap
labor".
He takes a job for five or six dollars an hour. At
that wage, with six dependents he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year
gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.
He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent, food stamps, and free
(no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school, and require bilingual
teachers and books that taxpayers get to provide, at an additional premium over
single language books and teachers (bilingual teachers, translators and extra
pages aren't free!).
He doesn't have to worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners
insurance. Taxpayers get to provide the funds to insure he'll have Spanish
language signs, bulletins and printed materials for every government document
he'll need to apply for any service or other "entitlement".
He cannot be harassed, or sued by a member of mainstream society as such actions
are labeled as racist or at the very least a violation of his civil rights .
He and his family receive the equivalent of $20 to $30 an hour in taxpayer
supplied benefits, while working Americans are lucky to have $5 or $6 an hour
left after paying their bills and his, and paying for increased crime
prevention, incarceration costs, graffiti clean up, and trash cleanup.
Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT"
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 05:59AM
Sorry for the omission but I meant to say the individual mentioned above is a
retired college economics professor, not just a professor of
"whatever" :>
Mint ... I've heard this guy fossil mentioned speak and he's always open in
giving his contact info at the end of his speeches. I'd say he's a bit brave,
given the possible ramifications these days of awareness regarding that type of
info, but he does so frequently.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 06:31AM
People who don't own a home don't have to pay for hoeowners insurance. People
who don't want life insurance don't have to have it. People who don't own a car
don't have to pay for auto insurance. How can an illegal immigrant own a house?
Or a car? Or get income tax credits? Or file for federal assistance of ANY kind
when they are ILLEGAL? Isn't filing for any of these things going to get you
caught by INS? It doesn't add up. They tell us that these illegals make up 5
percent of our workforce. That means that 1 out of 20 of us is an illegal
immigrant. I don't buy it......
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 08:19AM
Crapper ... lame effort.
When the Irish and the Italians came to the US in the early 1900s they marched
with the flag od Ireland and Italia when they would go on strike for better
wages.
It seems racist white people that are too young and too ignorant to know the
recent past want to admit that WHITE people are illegals too. In equal numbers.
And worse, these same WHITE illegals have shite collar jobs like computer
programmers that take high paying salaries from american citizens.
Anecdotal statements by the ignorant like you provided do not shed light on the
issue. They do more to shed light on the woeful educational system in the US.
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 08:27AM
Mr Kim .. Cite the fuckers name. I will prove him to be a moron.
aDCBeast Phd. Jd.
The fact is that even if the US had stiff mexican border control, there would be
a need for cheap labor that white boys would not do (even if wages were
$15/hr).
Stop lying to us and the world about white people being jipped of their wages.
HS. No white people will do the fucking job.
The amount of money paid to hispanic illegals is less than the amount paid to
caucasion white people for white collar jobs. That should piss you off more.
Well maybe not. Maybe I am assuming you are a white collar worker. the IQ level
you display here suggests you are blue collar. bitch !
So do more homework before you cite a moron. But please give me his name so I
can discredit him here.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 10:43AM
We all know your definition of "proof", beast (throw enough mud and
some may stick), so what would be the point?.....and, if you're really claiming
a PhD, you have to be the most illiterate one I've ever encountered.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 11:30AM
Beast, "When the Irish and the Italians came to the US in the early 1900s
they marched with the flag od Ireland and Italia when they would go on strike
for better wages."
When these immigrants came into this country they came here legally through
Ellis Island. The issue is not immigration, it is illegal immigration. Most of
us have not problem with people coming here from other countries we only have a
problem with them coming her illegally.
How would we know American would not do the jobs illegals do if they never get a
chance to take those jobs. Here in Arkansas if there was a job that would pay
$15.00 an hour I can assure you it would be filled by Americans of all races.
My daughter and her husband are working on a farm for the harvest at $8.00 an
hour which is the same job that used to be done by illegals before the owner was
caught using illegals. Once he was caught the jobs opened up to everyone else
and he still gets people to do the harvests. I don't believe there are any jobs
Americans won't do, but the employers have to pay at least a minimum wage and
that is the issue. Illegals are hired so that the employer can pay them less
per hour than they would have to pay legal workers. What we have to do is dry
up the job market for illegal workers by catching and prosecuting the employers
who hire them. If illegals no longer have work in this country they will go
back to Mexico or where ever they came from and stop coming. There may be too
many of them to deport but if there is no work they will deport themselves. Our
only ther option is to shoot them and bury them it would be cheaper than
deporting them. Find out what Mexico does with it's illegal problem from it's
southern border.
madmexrva Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 02:19PM
Mexicans are better at work than you. They have your grandparents work ethic
when they too were imigrants. Beside you have know control of your goverment and
you elected Bush so you should live with his decsion.Its your fault you believe
everything you see on tv ,now live with your decsion.I love Virginia, I see
married white woman several timeas a week because there husband or boyfriends
are off running around in the woods spreading hate . Bunch of mutaded clansmen
who recently feel impowered by all this immigration talk. Your stupid.........
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 02:27PM
Anonymous@94109, the statements you make only serve to point up your own lack
of understanding about the issue and its ramifications.
While it would seem reasonable that application for social services SHOULD raise
a red flag triggering action by the INS, this is not the case at all.
Many illegals here own cars, homes and still manage to fill the emergency rooms
and ambulatory clinics of the county run (state funded) hospitals and many can
be seen using their again state funded food stamp cards at the grocery
stores.
I suggest anyone stating disbelief of my statements come down here and see for
themselves. My feeling is most of the folks replying to this matter live in
areas where the issue is not present on nearly the same scale as it is here in
Texas, hence their disbelief or misunderstanding of its scope.
Hey B man, how's the weather up there dude ?
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 02:52PM
i was hoping to hear the madmex twist on things...you can rant alot better than
that..:~}
beast: i don't post things because i necessarially agree with them, but to
provoke thought and reflection.
kim: que pasa?
jgoins: a liiiiiiittle extreme.
documentation and registration and living a LEGAL existence will be tolerated
from now on ONLY!
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 03:11PM
"=un-insured motorist insurance=" how many other states have to pay
through the ass for this little gem?
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 05:10PM
I would assume that most white collar workers are college educated. One would
certainly hope that a college graduate would earn more than an unskilled illegal
immigrant.
I have three college degrees and just separated from the military after 20 years
of service. I would love a $15 an hour job. Where do I sign up?
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 07:08PM
jgoins
How would know that americans won't do the job that hispanics are currently
doing ? The white farmers there know. They tell first hand how they can't get
their crop to market due to a lack of labor. How is that for you ?
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 07:09PM
MrKim ... 72 and sunny here in DC. You would think it was San Diego.
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 07:12PM
Not 1 minuteman or "illegal" immigration group member has lost a blue
collar job picking in the fields due to illegal immigration. Not 1.
Seems like these pricks are just acting out their racist ideals under the guise
of border security.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: May 19, 2006 08:10PM
Why do you have to accuse people of being racist just because they want to end
illegal immigration?
There are lots of LEGAL Mexican-Americans that want to end illegal immigration
too. Are you saying that they're racist against their own people?
Think about it. What if more than 11 million Afghanis sudenly wanted to
illegally immigrate to England? Do you think that keeping those millions from
flooding the UK would be an insensitive and racist decision?
I'm all for letting people come to the U.S. for a better life -- but every
immigrant should be required to start out their new life as a legal citizen with
respect for American laws and who contributes to American society -- instead of
breaking U.S. laws to get here and becoming a drain on society. (And no matter
what you say -- people who don't have medical insurance and don't buy auto
insurance and don't pay thier fair share of income taxes and send their kids to
American schools and smuggle drugs and commit other crimes while visiting the
U.S. and who file for food stamps and other benefits -- are a big drain on
society.)
Why do illegal immigrants think they have the right to make demands on Americans
and the U.S. government? How would Mexico feel if 11 million Americans stormed
into their country, broke thier laws and started making demands?
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: May 20, 2006 05:28AM
fossil : whassup dude !!
B man : the Texas skies are already opening up and beginning the summer shake
and bake : 97 today and gettin hotter !
madbull Report This Comment Date: May 20, 2006 06:04AM
The overwhelming majority of people exercised about immigration are not
remotely racist, prejudiced, bigoted or nativist. They are, however,
unapologetic patriots, believers in the American ideal, the American identity
and the American culture. They are not slaves to an exclusively capitalistic
perspective, realizing that economic considerations – pro and con – are only
one part of the equation.
It goes without saying that immigration is a multi-faceted problem because it
touches on so many issues, including the rule of law, national security,
national sovereignty, our national identity, the welfare state, demography, the
economy, and politics.
It's hard to deny that the catalyzing events were the audacious protests of
illegals throughout the country, waving Mexican flags, disrespecting the
American flag and demanding, sometimes in Spanish, their "civil
rights." Perhaps Sen. Ted Kennedy's pathetic pandering to this burgeoning
new constituency contributed to the national wake-up call as well.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: May 20, 2006 07:26AM
They DO NOT PAY INCOME TAXES PEOPLE...
These maggots are getting health care without EVER paying into the system.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: May 20, 2006 07:50AM
Well said madbull ! Too many folks wanting to unnecessarily play the race card
in defending the illegals role in this issue while totally missing the real
point, which is not about race at all !
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: May 20, 2006 08:12AM
MrKim: interesting how you raise a lot of issues, then change your comments to
the fucking weather.
More to the point: "willfull lawlessness" on the part of Mexican
immigrants is a problem you say, What about the willful lawlessness of bombing
other nations when they have not attacked you? How about the willful
lawlessness of Halliburton getting away with "no-bid" multi-billion
dollar contracts from the U.S. Govt. How odd that the V.P. happens to be the
ex-CEO of H'burton... hmm.. must be just a happy coincidence! yay! flowers
and birds! pretty clouds!
Wake up. We the People have no control of the Gov't as it currently stands, and
it stands for secrecy. Secrecy and weaponry. And dividing the people with
hate.
The whole issue is creating tension between people. Hatred.
So don't keep spouting your Rush Limbaugh BullShit(tm), think for a minute.
Then after two weeks, increase it to two minutes. It won't kill you. I
promise.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: May 20, 2006 08:17AM
As to the original post of Fossil's: I agree with Mint, sounds fishy.
This first phrase: "I can almost assure you that everyone who is a true
American was..."
Every "true American"? Sounds to me like an emotional appeal and not
clear thinking.
A hallmark of propaganda.
It is a ploy to divide people who need to be allies. Those who are rich need to
ensure that people will be desperate enough to work for low, low wages. That's
the only way they can make profits now.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: May 20, 2006 12:15PM
The problem with the illegals in this country have been around for years but is
only now making the evening news so now people think it just started. I
remember my childhood in the 50's and 60's when Mexicans were called wetbacks
even back then. This is a problem that has been around for many years and is
only now being discussed openly. The problem we have is not immigration itself
but the way in which so many are doing it, illegally. Other countries in the
world secure their borders so why shouldn't we? How many countries in the world
are you allowed to walk across the borders unchecked, I doubt there are many.
We need to know who is entering our country and why. I have no problem with
Mexicans who wish to come here and work as long as they do it legally and at
least try to learn our language. We have a minimum wae in this country and we
must stop the companies who try to increase their profit line by hiring illegals
and pay them below minimum wage. If these companies are stopped from hiring
illegals then the illegals will start deporting themselves. We must also stop
giving free services to illegals. If they don't have legal status they should
not be allowed any free services our tax dollars pay for.
Maybe we need to place several thousand troops on the border of Mexico to patrol
instead of building and admin to see what will happen. Maybe if we had 20,000
troops on the border we will see exactly what Mexico's president is up to.
Maybe he will openly declare war on us and wake up the sleeping liberals who
can't see we have been invaded by Mexico already. There is more going on over
here than many of you are even willing to see.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: May 20, 2006 03:28PM
When people run out of reason, they always have to bring Iraq into the
equation. We're talking about illegal Mexican immigration here -- that means
the only nations we're discussing are Mexico and the United States.
If you want to get into a debate on Iraq, start another thread somewhere else.
And I can tell you how full of crap you are on that subject too because I just
completed 20 years in the Air Force, and I was in Balad, Iraq for four months
last year.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: May 20, 2006 04:38PM
Ah yes, my good friend John_as_thick_as_a_Stone, good morning !
I suppose the idea of mixing issues and chit chat conversation along with a bit
of humor is either above your own set of sensibilities or just a concept too
difficult to grasp, so please accept my apologies for having confused you in
such a way :>(
It wasn't in the least surprising to see you once more pursue the tactic of the
classic "redirect" in your own above rants in trying to make some
distended association between $$ spent on this issue versus $$ spent on warfare.
Such a common tactic of the weak liberal mindset is this that I almost expected
it, so at least you did not disappoint me in that regard.
As difficult as it might be for you, how about trying to stay focused on one
topic at a time, unless you're attempting to be humorous or having a lil side
action chit chat, which I'm sure wasn't your intention in your attempt at
redirection of this issue, Ok ?
The post fossil made at the beginning of this thread is a real world statement
made by a longtime local naturalized citizen of Mexican heritage who just
happens to align himself with the concepts of legal immigration over the
continued illegal immigration debacle and all its sociopolitical implications
that's been ongoing for decades now.
As hard as it may be to grasp that someone of Mexican descent might do so,
there's nothing fishy about the post at all, so get over it, it's for real.
John, you keep carping on endlessly about how this issue is class/race oriented
in nature, but seem to totally miss the whole point which is not about social
class or race at all.
The core issue to this discussion is about respecting our countrys long standing
immigration practices , our laws regarding the same and asking that these
immigrants do the same things expected of any other immigrants here, nothing
more, and absolutely nothing less.
BTW, here's a few of the tenets from the Mexican govt's. policies regarding
immigration to their country, putting the shoe on the other foot so to speak.
Have a look at them and then tell me again how unfair or based in race or class
it is for the US version regarding immigration to this country comparatively :
1. All immigrants to Mexico, are expected to learn and speak the native
language.
2. Any immigrants must be professional or carfstman nature by trade or an
investor. No immigration of unskilled workers will be allowed.
3. All classroom education and government business will be conducted in our
native language, with no exceptions made for immigrating citizens.
4. Foreign immigrants will not be allowed to cast ballots in public
elections.
5. Foreign immigrants will not be allowed to hold political office.
6. Foreign immigrants will not be allowed to be or become a burden to the
Mexican government or its citizens. No applicaions for public or governemental
assistance will be recognized.
7. Foreign immigrants will be allowed investment rights in Mexican business
and industry, but are not allowed ownership of more than 49% of any such
business or industry.
8. Foreign immigrants will be allowed to own property with the following
exception : waterfront or shorefront property. This righy is reserved
exclusively for citizens naturally born into this country.
9. Foreigners may not publicly protest, demonstrate, publicly display foreign
flags for the purpose of demonstation, contrevene political organization, or
openly criticise the government of Mexico, its policies, nor current president
or his policies. Such actions will lead to deportation.
10. Unlawful immigrantion into Mexico will lead to arrest, incarceration or
deportation at the discretion of the government of Mexico.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: May 20, 2006 04:40PM
well you're a hero then
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: May 20, 2006 05:37PM
hey john stone: is there a connection between illegal immigration and iraq?
wow, that's a loop!
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: May 21, 2006 02:14AM
It's an obvious loop, silly_digger, its the same Administration doing both!
jg: Maybe we need to place several thousand troops on the border of Mexico
Oh, that's a really, really good idea. Fuck, we should just invade Mexico. The
USA reserves for itself alone the right-of-pre-emptive-strike; since these
"illegals" as you call them are causing a bit of a national security
issue, we should just fucking take care of Mexico for once and for all. The
nuclear option is not off the table.
Dude, Mexico's president, Vincente Fox, is the ex-CEO of Coca-Cola Mexico. He's
a corporate stooge just like Cheney, Bush, and Wolfensohn. A lesser corporate
stooge, but a stooge nontheless.
I'm amazed you guys haven't put the pieces together yet: It's money-power
driving the politics, money that you don't have. Why do you defend the rich? I
don't get it.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: May 21, 2006 04:24AM
charge it
jgoins Report This Comment Date: May 21, 2006 12:26PM
Well I have been alive for 55 years now and as long as I can remember politics
have always been driven by money/power by all parties who held office in
government. Why do you think it only started with Bush?
Maybe if we were at war with Mexico you bleeding heart liberals would see that
Mexico already has millions of troops on our soil. Should something happen to
bring about an open war with Mexico I know full well the millions of illegals in
this country would pick up arms and attack us then Mexico would not have to use
much formal military to prosecute the war. Mexico has been trying to invade our
country without firing a shot for decades now and have been very successful. I
would rather have an open war with them instead of just lying down and giving
over our coutry to them without them paying for it in blood. This is what you
people want us to do. Just give away our country to them for free and you are
doing it by wanting to allow the illegals to come in and dilute our language and
everything else. Can't you people see that Mexico is doing nothing to stop the
illegals from coming and are actually doing much to get them to come here? This
has been going on for years with nothing being doen to prevent it. Open your
fucking eyes people and see what is slapping you in the face.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: May 21, 2006 01:06PM
What are the 6000 troops going to do at the border? Shoot the illegals? LOL!
6000 troops making at least 300 dollars a week equals roughly 90 million a year
not counting benefits, food, etc. Then there is the money to construct the 700
mile wall. What did they say they want? 1 point something BILLION dollars to
secure our border with Mexico? Put that BILLION dollars into the economy in the
form of scientific research and developement with PRACTICAL applications
instead. What if they started making the EMPLOYERS take income tax out of their
workers paychecks? Even the illegals paychecks? How many workers do you employ?
Send OSHA or Department of Labor to check that number once in a while. Then at
least we get SOME work out of them (the government workers)!
jgoins Report This Comment Date: May 21, 2006 08:46PM
Then we just let the Mexicans walk in and take over our country without a
fight. Maybe you think we should just give everything we have back to Mexico
and the other countries who had them before us. You people are entirely too
politically correct and it will destroy this nation faster than any political
party can. Because you want to appear to be politically correct you cannot see
what is right in front of your faces. Even if we do not get in the great holy
war the muslems want we will soon lose everything to foreign nationals coming
here illegally. Maybe shooting the illegals as they cross the border is a good
answer. It wouldn't take long of that before they will stop trying.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: May 21, 2006 11:04PM
i'm not smiling when i get fucked!
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: May 22, 2006 03:08AM
Fossil .... dude ! If you're not smilin buddy you need to try a lil different
technique :>
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: May 23, 2006 06:00AM
I am not suggesting that we let illegals enter freely. What I am suggesting is
that since our government acts as if it is INCAPABLE of getting rid of the ones
that are already here, MAKE it so the fuckers HAVE to pay at least income taxes
so when the y go to the emergency room or use the roads they at least put SOME
money in! Don't get me started on the 3-way taxation we legals get: First they
tax your INCOME, then you pay SALES tax when you spend it, then you pay taxes
for OWNING it (houses, cars anything they can tax they do). The Boston Tea party
was about DOUBLE taxation. Now we have TRIPLE! I have a Libertarian friend and
was starting to lean that way, but ANARCHY sounds better lately!
Direct action gets the goods....
