Posted by: GAK67 [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 26, 2005 09:21PM
I just wanted to bring this to everybodies attention to get people to remember the attrocities and learn from the mistakes of the past.
Posted by: Kevin [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 26, 2005 09:58PM
Thanks in part to the USA. See we haven't always been so bad smiling smiley
Posted by: Bob [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 26, 2005 10:58PM
I doubt very much GAK that people will ever learn from their mistakes but it is an important ocassion that no-one should forget. May the dead rest in peace
Posted by: Anonymous [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 26, 2005 11:18PM
6 million was overinflated. It was more like 800,000.
Posted by: GAK67 [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 26, 2005 11:57PM
Bob, it is a sad truth that you are probably correct. Since the Jewish holocaust there has been Cambodia, Rawanda, Serbia, and Sudan, all attempts at genocide (and they are only the ones I can remember without research).
Posted by: TConX [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 27, 2005 02:26AM
[www.plus613.com]

Amazing how much changes in 60 years!
Posted by: GAK67 [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 27, 2005 03:05AM
Tell that to the families of those who were killed, 22920.
Posted by: Kevin [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 27, 2005 02:02PM
TConX:
Point taken.

Let me preface by stating that I don't support war. Now if you think that this sort of thing only happens when the good ol' US is involved I think you would be poorly mistaken.

I would wager that this sort of behavior is commonplace in every war in the annals. I think that media involvement these days just lets everyday folk see nore of what happens.

This sort of thing should not happen. Americans aren't the only ones perpetrating acts of violent stupidity like this.
Posted by: Kevin [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 27, 2005 02:20PM
sorry:
more, not "nore"
Posted by: Bob [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 27, 2005 04:11PM
the americans choose to intervene in genocides when it suits them that's the only problem. Sudan for example has been largely ignored since the genocide began when help from western countries might actually stop the genocide
Posted by: Kevin [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 27, 2005 05:00PM
Bob:

I think there is a whole planet full of countries that didn't intervene in any of the genocides.

Yeah the US picks and chooses, but every country does. That is politics. It isn't right, but that is how it works.
Posted by: Kevin [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 27, 2005 05:05PM
Yes I know we have more responsibility to help because we are more powerful than most countries.

Point is that every country could do something, many choose not to.

What was China doing during WWII, Sudan, Rwanda?

I seriously don't know.

Did they sit idly by and let genocide perpetuate?

The US isn't all gum drops and sugar, but neither is any other country.
Posted by: Kevin [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 27, 2005 05:39PM
Well I looked, China was part of the Allied forces in WWII.

But what about their stance on other Genocides that did not concern the invasion of their borders? I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin.
Posted by: GAK67 [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 27, 2005 07:45PM
Kevin

I don't want to speak for TConX, but I think his point in posting that pic was that wheteher you look at WWII or the Iraqi conflict some things are the same. I don't believe he was trying to put down America or their military, just trying to point out that atrrocities happen in war. The difference between Hitler's reign and the current US government system is that when these sorts of things came to light the US government did something about it, as any modern civilised country would.

I would agree with you that these sorts have things have happened form both sides of every conflict to some extent. War is changing with modern communication methods and appetites, and given the level of media in the US the soldiers who did those things in Iraq should have known better. What people need to be careful of is generalising the actions of those soldiers to the entire US military, or even worse, the entire US population. Just like in WWII, it would be wrong to generalise the actions of the fascist Nazi's and the SS to the entire German Army or the entire German population.

Yes countries pick and choose their conflicts. My belief is that the UN should be the one to gather nations together to stand up to those sorts of attrocities, and that way the work-load would get shared around more.
Posted by: GAK67 [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 27, 2005 07:47PM
Well I managed to spell 'attrocities' right the second time. I can spell, I just can't type.
Posted by: Anonymous [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 27, 2005 08:03PM
Ask an Iraqi prisoner of war how he is treated. Oh yeah, you can't because they no longer have heads.
Posted by: GAK67 [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 27, 2005 10:10PM
Ask an American prisoner of war how he is treated. Oh yeah, you can't because they are all locked up in Cuba with no rights.
Posted by: pulse [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 27, 2005 11:36PM
Kevin: China was being slaughtered by the Japanese in WW2
Posted by: Kevin [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 27, 2005 11:52PM
Pulse:
I did look it up after I posted that. I was trying to illustrate a point, but I was too hasty to find a good example.

Best Regards,

Kevin
Posted by: Anonymous [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 28, 2005 12:29AM
"Thanks in part to the USA. See we haven't always been so bad smiling smiley"

Auschwitz and many of the other camps were liberated by the soviet army, being mostly located in Eastern Europe.
Posted by: Kevin [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 28, 2005 12:34AM
Thanks for the info [email protected]!

You will notice the "Thanks in part..." portion of my original message.

WWII was a sick time in our planet's history.
Posted by: Kevin [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 28, 2005 12:38AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but the combined assaults of the Western Allied forces (primarily bombers) and the fact that the Germans overextended their reach into soviet territory served as a linch pin to the defeat of the Germans. The soviets put pressure on from the east as the push continued from the west.
Posted by: Joe49 [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 28, 2005 04:32PM
one thing that has allways puzzled me is prior to WWII the red cross figures showed a fraction over 3.9 million jews all toll for Europe/now don't get me wrong if only one person died as a result of racial hatred it is a crime and we all know terrible things happened,but how did more people die than even existed? one theory was that the Germans had to pay 2000 marks for each one killed so a lot of people were made up/it was also stated that a lot of jewish people moved & changed their names. I would love to here the truth if there is such a thing anymore.
Posted by: Joe49 [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 28, 2005 04:36PM
GAK67 you forgot the KURDS in IRAQ/you inadvertly omitted them by mistake,I'm quite sure.
Posted by: GAK67 [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 28, 2005 10:26PM
Joe49, as I stated I was going just from memory and had done no research on the matter. Having said that, given that Iraq is in the news daily at the moment, I am surprised I did not think of the Kurds in that list.
Posted by: medic1 [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 29, 2005 10:14AM
I think I'd rather have my head than rights. I could go for years without rights. My head on the other hand...
Posted by: GAK67 [x] - (203.9.176.---)
Date: January 31, 2005 10:35PM
medic1, but if you could you would surely rather have both?
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