Mrkim Report This Comment Date: August 26, 2011 02:26PM
Yeah, a lot of fools did. Now the change we're all hoping for is Obozos place
of residency. A return to his native Kenya would be great
GAK67 Report This Comment Date: August 26, 2011 03:25PM
I was going to say that I was impressed - 9 posts about Obama with no mention
of his skin colour, Then Mrkim had to go and spoil it.
Mrkim, in my opinion your comment about Kenya makes you seem petty and small
minded. I know from previous posts on here that you are neither of those so
wonder why you have to stoop to that level.
quasi Report This Comment Date: August 26, 2011 05:40PM
Uh, GAK, his father was definitely from Kenya and there is still some doubt as
to whether Obama was born there as well. Not really a comment on color.
SkullandChains Report This Comment Date: August 26, 2011 06:08PM
Perhaps it's because saying a black person (regardless of who it is or why
you want him to leave) needs to go back to Africa, is usually construde as
racist in nature, even though it's a "I don't like the direction he's
taking our country, he lied, and I want him to leave!" issue.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 27/08/2011 12:43AM by SkullandChains.
GAK67 Report This Comment Date: August 26, 2011 06:41PM
quasi: The fact that a parent comes from a certain place doesn't make a child
come from that place. As for Obama's birth place, I never picked you as a
conspiracy theorist.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: August 26, 2011 07:08PM
GAK, before you go off 1/2 cocked again, perhaps you should do your own
independent research and arrive at your own conclusion about whether there is
or is not reasonable doubt as to the actual place of Obozos birth.
It was 1st claimed he was born in a certain hospital in Hawaii, then that was
changed to a different hospital across the island, his Kenyan grandmother also
claims she was present at his birth in Kenya (and I have to wonder what point
could be made that she would have any reason to lie about this).
If all the above coupled with a certificate of live birth having once been
presented and then many months later a different version being shown, which many
competent document forensics specialists have noted contains multiple digital
doctorings and a cuppla historic errors, my question would be what reasonable
person would NOT have doubts about the issue.
Now then, if you have exhaustively done the same inspection of these ideas I and
many other Americans have and have arrived at the conclusion you DO NOT think
there's any substance to all this subterfuge and speculation, that's one thing,
and I'll accept that, if that's what you believe.
If however you HAVE NOT done the above and instead just choose to swallow hook
line and sinker what the main stream media feeds you as the truth then I would
say that you sir are the one being small minded, not me
quasi Report This Comment Date: August 26, 2011 08:47PM
Oh, I'm not one for conspiracy theories but if he was a white guy whose dad was
from NZ and it was thought by many that he himself was born in NZ, would it be
racist to suggest he go back to NZ? The "First black president, first
credit downgrade" post from a couple of weeks ago was almost certainly
contrived as a racist statement though open to interpretation as being two
separate statements. I think Kim went overboard in protesting the alternate
nonracist interpretation. His statement here, though, is definitely more open to
an interpretation of being a statement of nationality vs. one of racism. Kim
baited you, GAK, and you went for the bait. Kenyan is Kenyan and black is black
but they are not neccessarily the same thing - the "credit downgrade"
post said black and you saw black but the statement today said Kenyan and you
instantly read it as black. Sometimes we're so busy trying not to be racist that
we go too far the other direction and end up be racist in a different
way.Frankly, it's nice to know that I live in a country where a person of a
minority race can be elected president and I'm glad it happened in my lifetime
but it's most unfortunate and disturbing that this con man was the one elected
and I wish he'd go back to wherever he came from.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: August 26, 2011 10:24PM
funny that yak thinks you
must be
black if you're from Kenya.
good 'ole Kiwi logic.
quasi Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 01:53AM
I lived my first two decades in Ohio and have lived in Florida for three
decades. Does that make me a yankee or a rebel?
woberto Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 02:16AM
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 02:19AM
i only consider someone a yankee if they live in Chicago or east of there, and
north of the Mason Dixon. that applies to birth place. in your case i'd say you
are a southerner convert because of time served.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 02:54AM
Bein a Yankee or a Southerner is mostly about a frame of mind for transplants.
For born and bred southerners though, it's just about a given.
I have a friend in South Carolina originally from New Jersey and he's the most
southernified cat I ever met from there. He loves it in SC and says he'll never
leave. His combination of NJ and SC speech is really a trip
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pulse Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 06:56AM
@quasi: "Oh, I'm not one for conspiracy theories but if he was a white guy
whose dad was from NZ and it was thought by many that he himself was born in NZ,
would it be racist to suggest he go back to NZ?"
When I was living in the UK, I had an argument with a co-worker who, like
myself, was white. He was British.
During the argument, the boss overheard him say "why don't you just go back
to Australia".
That was the last day he worked there, he was dismissed for that comment. It was
considered by the company to be vilification.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 07:26AM
And here I thought our PC doublespeak was bad, that's ludicrous
pulse Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 08:44AM
It was a heated argument, and I didn't want him fired, but he was a knob..
quasi Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 10:32AM
That is outrageous, pulse.
After I made my other post I had the further thought, what if he was a black man
who was believed to be from the UK and it was suggested that he go back there?
Or a black man from any nation that's perceived to be "white." Because
Kenya is perceived to be a "black" nation the remark was considered a
racist insult. making the perception racist though not neccesarily the
suggestion. GAK meant well, but this is a persistant problem with our
"beloved" president - many statements critical of him are percieved to
be racist while in fact are just critical statements, statements that would not
be thought to be racist in any way if they were made about a white man. This is
true in general about race relations in this country. Most of the old prejudices
have been left behind but there's a big chip on the shoulder of many folks of
color that just won't let them go, and there are too many folks not of color
going overboard in their attempts to tilt the scales to give people of color a
more favorable review when in fact their review is most often not racially
motivated at all. It's called political correctness, or using the race card and
causes more problems that it solves.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 10:59AM
You know if I had made the statement Mr. Kim did, there would be no doubt it
was racist. I am not politically correct by any measure and I don't hide it.
Mr Kim however is not racist in the least and never has been in any of his post.
So just go ahead and attribute any racism to me if you need a scapegoat, Mr.
Kim does not deserve it and I can take it. Until it becomes illegal to not be
politically correct I will continue against political correctness.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 02:40PM
Having done plenty of self exploration in the area of racism I put my thoughts
as prejudicial though not really racist in nature.
I don't despise any race though I certainly do despise those using the PC
tactic of playin the race card.
The concept of PC speech is a seemingly decidedly Orwellian concept and leads to
an overall breakdown in the ability of people to just plainly say what's what.
Vilification of people who refuse to participate in PC speech as racist does
nothing short of throwing ever more fuel on an already raging fire.
The real pisser is how slanted the playing field becomes in popular perceptions
of what is considered racism and what is not, most especially in determining who
or what is or can be considered racism or racist, based more on the race of the
speaker, not the actual statements they are making, which further divides the
issue even further. In essence, whites are viewed as the most commonly perceived
to be racist for whatever they say yet other races most often get a pass for
having made obvious racially tainted and sometimes hate based racist comments
... "And the beat goes on, La de da da dee, la dee da da die"
Detractors of whites who are truly simply trying to effectively communicate a
point or position are quick to cry foul in claiming such points are RACIST when
in truth, often that's not even close to what is truth. This leads in turn to
(white) people undertaking fancy two-step verbal jigs in trying to convey their
points without being perceived as racist in nature and overall this just
confounds the possibility of open and honest discourse, through which everyone
suffers.
PC speech has done more to confound the possibility of anything resembling real
communication than any other single tenet of our "modern" society.
Once the ever popular Race Card is thrown into the mix it simply further
confounds communication leaving many people no way forward in attempting to
discuss anything with even the slightest possibility of being considered racial
in nature.
My personal perception is such that utilization of the race card is the
equivalent of sarcasm on a political level. While sarcasm is often called the
"weapon on the weak" in discourse, I see the race card as a similar
weapon for those politically incapable of winning arguments with logic and
honest debate
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BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 06:05PM
I'm chiming in a little late but last official estimate of non-African people
(Arab, Indian, European) in Kenya was at 1% which means 99% black people.
Guessing that a person from Kenya is black has a 99% chance of success.
quasi Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 06:55PM
Yet it's still about the country of origin regardless of the make up of it's
population; as long as it's the country of his origin, whether it's Obama's or
his father's, it doesn't really matter what the population looks like, it is
what it is and telling him to go back there is like telling me to go back to
Ohio.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 07:25PM
Understood. I was tardily referring to Fossil's comment about Gak assuming that
someone from Kenya would be black, and I was hinting that it was not that
unreasonable of an assumption since Kenya's population is 99% black. That is not
a racist comment, just a factual one. I was in Mombasa in the 70s and it was a
pretty cool experience. I liked it and wish I could have spent more time there.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: August 28, 2011 01:39AM
Here's a perfect example of the lunacy of PC speech, and thanks for helpin
bring it to fruition Blah.
Although my initial comment about Obozo goin back to Kenya was a definite
political jab I had no intention of anything like a racial slant, nor did I make
any mention of anything about Obozos race. However, because I am a white man
making a comment about another man who is 1/2 black, the immediate perception
becomes that my statements are in fact racist regardless.
This is EXACTLY what I meant when I said it has more to do with the race of the
speaker and that of the person being discussed in what is then perceived as
racist, and NOT what was actually said! And ... this is a shining example of how
the tendrils of PC speech totally confounds the possibility of honest discourse
as the skin color of whose being discussed always pushes the topic into racist
territory, regardless of what the actual message itself is.
Then, since the discussion that follows leads away from the concept of what was
said having been racist in nature, Blah comes back with a deleterious statement
that because 99% of Kenya is in fact black that it still is basically a racist
statement because of that statistic as this points in all likelihood to the
concept again that my comments would still logically lead to a racist basis for
my comments. In effect, since no racism exists, the concepts of PC speech STILL
pushes to find racism in it somewhere in everything regardless!
However, what I didn see was some statistic regarding what percentage of Kenyans
were in fact 1/2 black, though such an addition might have actually had more
relevance overall!
Does anyone not see just how twisted the conversation becomes in making a case
for something being construed as racially motivated? Does anyone else here not
also see that a discussion between completely white men about someone who is 1/2
black has every facet of it examined in the most minute of detail in an attempt
to MAKE it about race, whether it is, ever was, or ever would be about race at
all
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 28, 2011 02:31AM
Now wait just a doggone minute there buddy boy. There was nothing deleterious
(deleterious - Adjective: Causing harm or damage) at all about what I wrote and
it was certainly not construed in any way to imply that anything anyone else
wrote was racist, neither was it a political or particularly politically correct
statement of any kind, rather simply that it would be a reasonable assumption to
think of Kenyans as black people for the simple reason that about 99% of them
are. If anything it was (as clearly stated) a late entry comment on what F_D
wrote about Gak assuming that a Kenyan is black.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: August 28, 2011 03:16AM
he made an
ass outta you not me.
woberto Report This Comment Date: August 28, 2011 04:29AM
Five more generations and we'll all have Asian skin and straight black
hair.
One World.
One Race.
Accept it.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: August 28, 2011 10:05AM
Mr Kim you last statement explains the reason I never hide the fact that I am
racist, because no matter what I say it will be construed as racist. Also your
post was quite easy for me to read and understand but there are those here who
will have difficulty understanding what it is you are saying, probably because
there are too many words. I understand that you probably meant that anything
said against a black man by a white man is understood as being racist no matter
what the statement might be. I did not vote for Odamna simply because he is
black but now I find my dislike of him is in large part because he is an idiot.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 28, 2011 07:40PM
Kim has a good command of English and writes well. That doesn't mean that
everything he writes is correct though. Like with many others there is a
tendency to misconstrue things to mean something that was not intended, although
Kim is usually much better at not doing that than others are, which is one
reason I usually pay more attention to what he writes than I do to the writings
of some others here.
Fossil, you don't need anyone's help.
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BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 28, 2011 08:01PM
jgoins you make a valid point. However in your case since you are a racist
anything you say WILL be considered racist by default by most people. You do
realize that I'm sure.
I am not a racist. Stupidity comes in all colors which should be pretty obvious
to everyone by now.
I didn't vote for Obama either because I didn't like him or believe him, but
then I haven't liked any presidential candidate or believed their campaign
promises since before I was old enough to vote and in most cases have refused to
vote for any of them since.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: August 29, 2011 11:32AM
Odamna is an idiot. Is that a racist comment? Also when using the N word I
also describe many white people with that word. That word is used to describe
people's actions rather than their skin color.
woberto Report This Comment Date: August 29, 2011 12:30PM
I'm a third generation Anglo-Australian but ever since I found a few pics of an
asian guy and posted them as myself everyone has been really nice to me. You're
all being PC without knowing it.
quasi Report This Comment Date: August 29, 2011 02:04PM
Fraud!
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: August 29, 2011 07:54PM
this is far as I got;
his Kenyan grandmother also claims she was present at
his birth in Kenya (and I have to wonder what point could be made that she would
have any reason to lie about this).
didn't read anything between then and here....where do you people find the time
to write all of this stuff??
but anyway...I read that and thought, well...obamas granny? shit she must be
pretty fucking old, I seriously doubt her memory is really all that great, old
people get shit turned around all the time, my dad is forever confusing the
names of my son and grandson...that old hag thinks hawaii was kenya...
obama/birthplace =
woberto Report This Comment Date: August 29, 2011 08:42PM
They should amend the rules, citing Obama as precedent, then Arnie can run for
President!
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: August 29, 2011 10:45PM
Seems amazing you can make excuses for taking time to educate yourself PJ.
Given that idea, what do you base your political opinions on, cartoons
What's even more odd is that no matter what happens there's still a clamoring
horde of Obozo supporters bound and determined to make up excuses for him
quasi Report This Comment Date: August 29, 2011 11:55PM
OOOH he's just so darned cute with those Will Smith ears & all.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 30, 2011 12:48AM
It's all about appearances. Looks good, sounds good, plays out bad. Government
in action. Hasn't changed since I remember. If anything gotten worse.
quasi Report This Comment Date: August 30, 2011 01:11AM
Dude's turnin' gray quickly, though. Could be a ploy to get the sympathy vote,
and perhaps the elderly - wouldn't be surprised.
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: August 30, 2011 03:04AM
I base my political opinions on knowing that the inner core of our government
is corrupt beyond my imagination, and I can imagine some really, really, fucked
up shit...therefore it really doesnt matter who we vote for or support or argue
about, because the whole fucking system is fubar. but I did get a chuckle at the
will smiff ears bit
jgoins Report This Comment Date: August 30, 2011 10:40AM
If all this happened under Bush 43 there would be lynch mobs forming on the
White House lawn. With Odamna the lynch mob would be considered racist.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: August 31, 2011 02:43AM
Two black guys are at a bar talking, one
says to the other, "You ever notice after you have sex with a
white woman that your eyes burn, your nose burns, and you get
all teary-eyed?"
The second black guy says, "Yeah, all the time."
The other says, "Why is that?"
The second says, "I think it's the pepper spray."
jgoins Report This Comment Date: August 31, 2011 10:44AM
Good one Fossil
woberto Report This Comment Date: November 17, 2011 07:30AM
Obama 2011 visit to Australia
An extract from his speech to Australian Parliament today.
10.52am: "The US has been and always will be a Pacific nation." The
focus couldn't be more clear, and Mr Obama cites his own childhood experiences
as an example of his country's links to the region.
"Here we see the future as the world's fastest growing region." Asia
is key to Mr Obama's highest priority - "creating jobs and opportunities
for the American people."
Mr Obama pledges that the US will play an increasing role in the region. He is
emphasising the need for peace and mutually beneficial trade.
"I know some have questioned America's commitment to upholding these
principals." Mr Obama indicates that he will wind down defence spending as
the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan come to an end. Because of this, engagement in
Asia will be a "top priority".
