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Anon - not logged in Report This Comment
Date: May 05, 2025 04:25AM

Fun fact: Teutonic (where English and a few other languages come from) had the word 'wis-an': to be, remain, continue to be. In Gothic it was 'wes-an'. With the arrival of catholicism and its technique of defining right from wrong to suit those in power, so they would be dependent on the monks and priests, the word and concept dropped out of the language.

Fun quiz: what influence has this had on the mind and governments?

Hint: ideas and concepts influence events, events affect people. Ideas and concepts affect behaviour. It's hard to adopt an idea or be influenced by a concept if you don't have words to express it in.
Anon - not logged in Report This Comment
Date: May 06, 2025 12:00AM

Fun fact: the vatican launched the Albigensian Crusade, or Cathar Crusade, a military and ideological campaign initiated by Pope Innocent III, to eradicate Catharism in 1209. All who participated on the catholic side were promised forgiveness by God for whatever sins they had committed. Just like that. A very flexible depiction of God. On this crusade a noble asked the Papal Legate how they would distinguish between Cathars and catholics. He replied: "Kill them, for the Lord knows those that are His". This introduced the term and concept: 'Kill them all, God will sort them out' ever since.

The Cathars were not only a rival hierarchy preaching from the bible, but... wait for it... let women hold positions in the hierarchy! The vatican would use a book it published: The Witches Hammer, to teach its monks and priests how to identify women to be killed, for speaking out of their level in society, questioning catholic doctrine, whatever. A murder campaign that shaped Europe for centuries.
Anon - not logged in Report This Comment
Date: May 07, 2025 04:18AM

Fun fact: catholic monks and priests used to claim water from the ocean travelled underground, up inside mountains and hills, then out again as brooks, creeks and streams. If you argued you could be burned at the stake. It wasn't until the 1640's that experiments by protestants demonstrated the amount of water flowing down from the mountains and hills was almost the same as the rain. It seems obvious to us now, but it was a revolution then.

This was the time of Robert Boyle, whose 'Boyle's Law' states that the pressure of a gas will double if its volume halves. This seems obvious to us now, but it paved the way for the steam age.
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Date: May 08, 2025 08:31AM

Fun fact: in Old Teutonic (where English, German, Dutch, Icelandic and Scandinavian languages come from) 'man' meant 'one'. In English, this has broken down into 'an': an house, an year, an object. 'An' has further broken down into 'a': a house, a year, but we don't say a object. Jane Austen, in the late 1700's-early 1800's, wrote "an house". That was accepted as correct English at the time.
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Date: May 12, 2025 08:21AM

Fun fact: in Old English, the word 'a' would not be used if only one instance of the subject was then mentioned. It acted as a double negative. For example: "He waes God man" (He was a good man) - around 1100AD. 'God' was the same spelling as an attribute of God, 'good' and you read it in context. 'Waes' reflects that written English followed the local dialect at the time. Strangely, royal documents and laws written in London used 'a' as we do, and of course, royal and government use affected the language.
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Date: May 13, 2025 08:29AM

Fun fact: the first attempt at a standard English dictionary was in the 1700's. This led the catholic monks and priests in France to counsel the French king to plan a war against England, for this dictionary was organised in the protestant manner (called 'English manner' in academia): alphabetically.

In France under the Bourbon Kings the monks and priests controlled the French dictionary, and organised it by subject. That meant a word had very different meanings, not only regards different subjects, keeping the general population confused with a word trick, but regards subjects only taught to select groups - so in theory different groups could not work together against those in power, as they couldn't properly understand each other. It's a trick described by Machiavelli, and allegedly still used in rural Italy.

So the dictionary was a tool of mind control - a power taken from them by a much needed revolution.

[archive.org]

To be frank:
- dictionaries must always be organised alphabetically;
- words must always mean what the dictionary says they do, and;
- it must always be the same dictionary for everyone.
Anon - not logged in Report This Comment
Date: May 15, 2025 08:56PM

Fun fact: by telling those who trust them they're Christians, yet teaching them to pray to someone else, Mary, catholic monks, priests and nuns condition them to be gullible. Mary is dead. She died two thousand years ago. She can't hear you.
Anon - not logged in Report This Comment
Date: May 16, 2025 10:00PM

Fun fact: cognitive dissonance is where the mind believes conflicting things. This creates a mental stress. This in turn can be exploited by one offering a solution. Viewing the fact above, think of the mind of their follower as like the ball in a pin ball machine, they are able to bounce it around as they wish.
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Date: May 19, 2025 04:17AM

Fun fact: statements where words have second meanings are called concatenations. By talking to those who trust them, whilst deliberately using concatenations, and constantly correcting them, catholic monks, priests and nuns condition them to think they're not as intelligent as the monks, priests or nuns. It's word tricks. Subjugating your mind.

If you're often confused in talking with a catholic monk, priest or nun, you're as yet still too intelligent for them.
Anon - not logged in Report This Comment
Date: May 19, 2025 09:54AM

Correction: "concatenation" should read "double entente".
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Date: May 21, 2025 07:58AM

Fun fact: at an upper level, amongst the sects, members of the vatican hierarchy are taught to do algebra, at the same level as primary school. Each equation is given a special meaning. They are just made up, yet presented as knowledge. Studying maths teaches you to analyse. Yet it's a doctrine of the Vatican that their priests are instruments of the faith, not its analysts. This conflict in reasoning acts as a filter, ensuring only the stupid pass. The last equations are: three times three is nine. One times nine.
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Date: May 27, 2025 07:53AM

Fun fact: in 1129AD King Henry I overruled the papal order that archdeacons and priests could not have wives, and they kept their wives. It was one of the precedents and things used by Henry VIII four hundred years later. There's a list of those.
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Date: June 01, 2025 07:15AM

Fun fact: soon after King John was forced to sign the Magna Carta in 1215, the pope 'annulled' it. Catholics use this to morally claim there is therefore no Magna Carta. But King John promised the pope money to 'annul' it and excommunicate the barons.

He also promised "Lands, and large possessions" to any foreign soldiers came to England to help him in his planned war against the barons. Fourteen thousand people answering this call, told to them encouragingly by catholic bishops and priests, were at sea when they were hit by a "sudden tempest" and all were drowned, the shore was "infected with their putrid bodies". Echoed by the Spanish Armada 370 years later.

1218AD: "Waldo the legate being sent for by the pope to return, departed toward Rome with an infinite quantity of money gotten by one means or other."

Having no support from the barons or the townspeople and lost the foreign soldiers, the only way he could keep the support of the catholic bishops was to pay up.
Anon - not logged in Report This Comment
Date: June 02, 2025 08:38AM

Fun fact: above we can see a pope's decision was bought and paid for. Centuries later catholics claim the decision is moral.
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Date: June 05, 2025 09:23AM

1241AD: "The fourth day after Christmas the legate was by the pope to the court of Rome: whereupon taking his leave of all the prelates, he took his journey towards the sea, whom the king with great pomp and an innumerable company of the nobles, with trumpets sounding before them brought to the seas, so that on the morrow after the twelfth day, the legate (after the king with great sorrow for his departure, had embraced him) took shipping at Dover, at whose departure no man was sorry but the king, and such as the legate had enriched."
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Date: June 08, 2025 09:06AM

Fun fact: in 1326 King Edward II set up the militia in England. All church steeples and other high buildings had iron brackets placed on them, to hold torches to warn all surrounding able bodied men between 16 and 40 to arm themselves and assemble at their assigned places. The arms and equipment were regulated by the value of their (land based) estates. They had to present the arms and equipment in good condition twice a year. They were organised by shires and hundreds.
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Date: June 11, 2025 07:59AM

Fun fact: in 1522 there was a tripartite alliance between France, the German Emperor and England. Disputes between Germany and France led to war. The French attacked the English, who were not involved in the disputes.

So King Henry VIII enrolled the whole militia and its office bearers, and for every organised 100s of militia, what local industries could be used to maintain the war against France, who were their owners, and the names and places of all foreigners and of what birth and current nationality, and what their occupations were. This was the planning and mobilising of what we would call total war, and completely bypassed the old systems of the king simply employing soldiers, or relying on nobility and bishops to supply money and/or armed men. Henry VIII also maintained a large navy, one more than able to control the "Narrow seas".
- 26 May: the German Emperor, with 8 bishops, 10 abbots, 30 chaplains and others, arrived in
England before travelling to Spain, to form alliances against France.
- June: the alliance with Germany was concluded.
- 1 July: the Emperor's navy with 180 ships arrived to transport him to Spain, arriving there 10
days later.
- During this time the Earl of Surrey, Lord Admiral, attacked and burned towns, castles and
anything else along the French coast.
- Ever since Edward Long shanks (1239 – 1307), wars between England and Scotland were proxy
conflicts for French interests. Knowing this, Henry VIII's navy burned all ships in Scotland's
ports. England then assembled a sufficient Northern army that the Scots signed a truce for six
months.
- 1523: after the truce, the Northern army burned 37 villages, and "dispoiled" the south of the
country from East to West, destroying their strongholds.
- England's parliament, including the catholic bishops, raised a great sum of money for the
coming war, agreeing to do so for five years. "Such war in France as had not been seen."
- For the second time, the catholic bishops in England overstated how many parishes they had
and how wealthy they were, promising they could fund the needs of government, so making it
dependent on them.
- September: the first English army of 10500 men seized and demolished a French castle.
- The Duke of Burgundy rebelled against France and joined Germany and England.
- Spain entered the war.
- 1524: the Northern English army invaded Scotland, the Scots army ran away.

The French army at that time relied on nobility, who saw nothing wrong in riding over their own vanguard to attack the English, as was their right to do, and catholic bishops, in armour and carrying weapons, who brought their own armed men to battle and fought in the battle themselves. Some of these bishops died fighting the English. In times past catholic bishops in England did exactly the same thing. At least one died in battle in one of England's internal wars. Therefore it isn't odd that Cardinal Richelieu wore a sword whilst besieging Protestants at La Rochelle in the 1620's.

Thus the mass mobilisation under a civil administration was not only a threat to France, but to the catholic bishops' status and power.

Note that the Act of Supremacy, where Henry VIII broke from Rome and became head of the Church of England, was not until 1534.

- 1526: The French king being taken prisoner, peace was agreed between England and France.
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Date: June 11, 2025 10:08PM

fun fact: no one has read any of that ^^^^^
quasi Report This Comment
Date: June 12, 2025 10:27AM

Actually, I read it, but it wasn't fun at all. Fun facts are generally along the lines of, "The opossum is the only North American marsupial."
pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 12, 2025 10:39AM

Fun fact: Wombat poo is square.
Anon - not logged in Report This Comment
Date: June 14, 2025 03:58AM

Fun fact: 1326-1328: Whilst the former Edward II was imprisoned at Barkley, "For as touching poisons, which they gave him often to drink, by the benefit of nature he dispatched away."
woberto Report This Comment
Date: June 15, 2025 07:37AM

Fun Fact:
As of 2025 California has been owned by;
Spain 52 Years
Mexico 27 Years
USA for 177 years
Anon - not logged in Report This Comment
Date: June 17, 2025 01:07AM

Fun fact: 1326-1328: whilst some catholic bishops supported the imprisonment and 'abdication' of the former king Edward II, those catholic bishops opposed to it were beheaded. The parliament then voted the Queen what amounts to a pension, equalling 2/3rds of government revenue. The chronicles don't record where the money went.
Anon - not logged in Report This Comment
Date: June 20, 2025 06:28AM

Fun fact: All catholic bishops who had been part of the coup conspired to have the former king Edward II assassinated, and the men who carried out the work then accused of it, and driven out of the country. One was seized abroad and beheaded at sea, so he couldn't accuse anyone in England, the others lived out their days in exile in Holland.

The instruction to assassinate the former king was written in two parts, so it could be claimed to have another meaning. A typical catholic trick. See note about words having second meanings, above.

After a conspiring bishop, of Canterbury, died, the main conspirators who were not bishops were arrested and hanged, with the vast sums being paid to the queen confiscated, and more besides. No bishop or part of catholicism was punished.

Odd, this method, of 'we encourage you to do to them, then we do to you' was explained to me in parts by a sect of catholicism that tried recruiting me over some years, in Kuringai, or Sydney's North Shore: that all of us will be betrayed, losing all wealth, assets and power (including "influence"winking
smiley, by the politicians, the lower politicians will be betrayed by the middle ranking politicians, they will be betrayed by the senior politicians, and "When the leader has betrayed the last of his followers, the clergy will betray the leader" (as I told police). This is the system, adopted by the Babylonians, that weakened the Empire before its conquest by Cyrus the Persian in 539 BC. The system is described by Isaiah in the bible. Whilst the ancient writer was denouncing the system, it is described in the English chronicles as functioning up to 1331 AD, and was described to me in my youth as functioning now.

1333: Suddenly, the English kings 'request' whom will be bishop when and where.
Anon - not logged in Report This Comment
Date: June 23, 2025 05:09AM

Fun fact: then there was a change back again:

1343: King Edward III, his nobles and the parliament demanded the pope should no longer appoint anyone to church office, nor take money out of the kingdom, and waited for the reply (there appears to have not been one).

1365: King Edward III ordered that 'Peter's Pence' formerly paid to the vatican, would now be paid to him. And it was.

1371: the catholic bishops in England held the posts of Chancellor, Treasurer and Privy Seal. they were so busy running the secular country they had no idea of the state of catholic administration. When they promised the Crown a large sum, by taxing each parish an equal amount, so richer parishes helped poorer ones, it was found there wasn't nearly as many parishes as they thought, and most of them too poor to pay the sum. The bishops were removed from their secular offices and lay men put in their place.

Note this is before the Vatican declared the pope is absolute monarch of all nations and people.

1373: "In a parliament it was granted that the cathedral churches should enjoy their elections (as guaranteed by Magna Carta) and that from thence forth the king should not write against the elected, but should by his letters help towards their confirmation, but this statute took small effect." The end result of this centuries long see-sawing is that elections in churches are free, they cannot be apointed from above or abroad, yet the monarch may dismiss someone from that position. You would really have to make a mess of it. Such as, in 2025, a man named Welby: [www.bbc.com]

1389: Richard III's parliament ordained that none should purchase positions from the pope.
Anon - not logged in Report This Comment
Date: June 26, 2025 10:24AM

Fun fact: Multiple times the Welsh and Southern scholars at Oxford fought the northern scholars, members of both sides killed members of the other. It's not recorded what it was about. This lasted for years. Of note is that some of these scholars became catholic bishops, most of the rest priests.

1396-8: The Crown not only minted coin, but farmed out coinage to towns that could afford it, and after 30 years of peace it was noted the country had "heaped up" a great amount of wealth.

Note that once there is money in circulation, people, corporations and governments save up for projects, these create industries, skills and residual wealth as assets, such as household goods. Note also that money was gold and silver, so not subject to inflation, nor was government in any debt.

During this time the great hall of Westminster was built, joining the palace and the clock tower.

Trouble came in a four-way struggle to consolidate wealth and power: two factions of catholic bishops with their allied nobles; the King, and; the commons. Both factions of bishops and their nobles engaged in beheading members of the other, whenever they held the upper hand. Other people died too. It may seem cynical, but is also clear-eyed, that the winner in the long term is the party that supplies the money: that is, the taxpayer: the general public. Also, the principle that a clear division between civil and ecclesiastical jurisdictions functions best was established and still runs. Any attempt to violate this division must be crushed.

1413: King Henry IV observed that as long as the English had wealth, something they always want, they obey government, and as long as they are poor, they rebel. That's an observation from this time of four-way struggle. It's also a question that's relevant today: the amount of wealth in a nation and its distribution.

Witness the Australian Liberal Party spent 10 years using mass immigration to keep salaries down, abolished tariff protection, so manufacturing and trades wages were lost, and rampant inflation, to drain wealth from the majority of the population. For this they have suffered increasing defeats at two elections, and the sooner the architects and willing hands of that process cease to exist the better. They also made a 'law' that has no effect: claiming Australia doesn't have the death penalty. It's in our Constitution for Treason. This non-effective 'law' was eagerly announced by the supporters of the Australian Prime Minister at the time: Scott Morrison - it effectively means our Constitution has no meaning, revealing the darkest and most evil of souls and intentions.

1419: during the four-way struggle, not only were catholic bishops approving and assisting in members of their competing faction being beheaded, but one catholic priest killed another in the Tower of London. It isn't recorded how violent it was in the regions.
Anon - not logged in Report This Comment
Date: June 27, 2025 03:32AM

"inflation, to drain wealth from the majority of the population"

Note: wealth lost to inflation does not disappear, it's transferred.
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Date: June 29, 2025 01:37AM

Fun fact: 1429: underground printing was universal in Europe, and printed works are cheaper than handwritten, so the bible was being widely read. This led to the pope organising a war against Bohemia, whose people dissented to "The church of Rome in matters of faith." The catholic bishops in England raised money and men to fight this war.
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Date: July 02, 2025 01:24AM

Fun fact: 1430: to avoid being killed as a witch by the English, Joan of Arc pretended to be pregnant, "But when the contrary was known, she was condemned and burnt."
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Date: July 05, 2025 01:15AM

Fun fact: 1431: widespread underground printing, and reading of the bible, led to decades of disturbances to catholic power in England by this time. It didn't stop, but grew, and it can only be seen that Henry VIII breaking with the church of Rome in 1534 was the most popular thing he could have done, regardless of his motives of marriage and money. Note that, for decades up to the time of writing, catholics have claimed it was just about marriage, and a sudden outrage at the time. The chronicles prove the exact opposite to be true.
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Date: July 07, 2025 11:52PM

Fun fact: 1459: printing openly began in Germany.
quasi Report This Comment
Date: July 09, 2025 03:12PM

Fun fact: I'm still following this thread for reasons I just don't understand. Help!
Anon - not logged in Report This Comment
Date: July 11, 2025 12:16AM

Fun fact: 1471: printing openly began in England. As the War of the Roses raged, printing and widespread bibles meant the beginning of Protestantism was widespread. In every country, Protestantism saw the end of private warfare. The quarrelling Lords didn't know that.
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Date: July 14, 2025 05:54AM

Fun fact: During this four-way struggle, leading up to and possibly including the Wars of the Roses, something odd happened. This is from Stowe's Chronicle, discussing the now murdered King Henry VI: "So continent as suspicion of unchaste life never touched him: and having in Christmas a show of young women with their bare breasts laid out, presented before him, he immediately departed." Remember that with all such things the moral panacea is always provided, and at the time it could only have come from one of the factions of catholic bishops.

At time of writing it could come from clergy, philosophers, scientists, judaists in the media, marxists, humanists, fabians... it should be noted that for decades, nudist marriages were conducted by catholic priests, naked like everyone else.

Apart from judaism, each of these depends on the doctrine that we are just random atoms and space, with no inherent meaning, and so are our ideas - except your ideas over everyone else: that the mind is just random chance processes that cannot be trusted, and that's how 'you' should see everyone else, but 'your' mind is superior to this in some mysterious way - that you convince yourself of - it's using ideas to direct behaviour, like puppets on a string. The current doctrine of random atoms and space is called Evolution. That requires natural selection. Natural selection requires reproduction. Random chemicals in a soup don't reproduce. It didn't happen. It doesn't happen. It can't happen.

At time of writing one key faction of Judaism holds the doctrine that all non Jews are slaves, animals especially made by God in human form, to serve Jews (https://www.plus613.net/image/84208). And so must behave as animals. And as we have seen in Isreal, this also applies to Jews not part of a particular group within. This faction supports Benjamin Netanyahu. The other key faction holds the doctrine that the Messiah will come only when everyone on earth has done debauched things. This faction opposes Benjamin Netanyahu and won two consecutive elections. Benjamin Netanyahu and his supporting faction ignored both election results, and he held onto power. But Judaism appears to be just about paedophilia, that the Rabbis can rape the children of those who trust them, and as paedophile victims grow into emotionally and psychologically broken adults, their followers are their slaves.

The incident with King Henry VI could be seen as entrapment, or honey pot, or character assassination as part of that four-way struggle.
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Date: July 17, 2025 07:42AM

Fun fact: 1472: all those who opposed Edward IV's claim to the throne were crushed: exile, imprisonment, fines and impoverishment. These included catholic bishops, and could only have been done with the support of those bishops in the faction that sided with King Edward.
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Date: July 21, 2025 12:14AM

Fun fact: 1473: wanting to wage war on France for aiding the other side in the War of the Roses, King Edward IV summoned all wealthy people to parliament and stated his need for money to pay for the war. Having shown his willingness to crush dissent, they gave the money: "He called this grant of money a benevolence, not withstanding that many grudged thereof, and called it a malevolence." Interesting, that our attitude to tax has not changed.
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Date: July 24, 2025 03:54AM

Fun fact: 1473: "But the king used such gentle means towards them for their assistance in his necessity, that they could not otherwise do, but frankly yield and give him competent sums, wherewith he prepared a great army." Given the recorded facts, it's a description somewhere between sociopathy and psychopathy. Note we've seen just that behaviour by a modern man, George Pell, now happily deceased, and once a catholic archbishop: it's an institutional behaviour towards the victims of pedophilia.
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Date: July 28, 2025 06:00AM

Fun fact: Instead of waging war, with a great army at his back, King Edward IV extorted France of a massive sum of money, that stopped being paid when he died suddenly.
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Date: July 31, 2025 08:17AM

Fun fact: After his death King Edward IV was described as immoral in his youth. If morality, such as the virgin birth of Christ, is to be used as a tool to browbeat the human mind into submission, then only monks, priests, nuns and their hierarchy may have it. Certainly not secular individuals in power. This attitude may characterise one of the factions: only in catholic Austria is there a norm of hiring two 15 year old girls, who attend a catholic school, to pose naked in your wedding photographs.

Note crude statements and concepts are not done in polite society - the very people who tend to have money, influence and power, who are the targets of these operations. Neither change language or social mores, nor leave the children as prey: the problem must be solved.
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Date: August 04, 2025 01:42AM

Fun fact: 1484: William Collingborne made a rhyme of three of King Richard III's counsellors, the Lord Lovel, Sir Richard Ratcliff and Sir William Catesby: "The Rat, The Cat, and Lovell our dog, Rule all England under the Hog." ('Hog' caricatures Richard III's crest). For this he was drawn from Westminster to the Tower of London, and there on the hill hanged, headed and quartered (cut into four parts). Medieval pleasantries. In simple fact printing was now openly practised and seen as an honest trade. The most commonly demanded item was the bible. It was expensive, so people collected bits and put them in sequence. The more you read the bible the more anti-catholic you are. The system of the civil government depending on the support of catholic bishops, openly or subtly, by defining right from wrong to suit those they patronised to have money and/or power, was tottering (see the first fact in this list). This could have been an attempt to prop it up. The only way the monarchy and civil administration could survive was to jettison catholicism or butcher all Protestants. That distinguished northern Europe from southern Europe.

The human mind reacts in only so many ways under the same stimulus.
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Date: August 07, 2025 10:04AM

test
quasi Report This Comment
Date: August 07, 2025 11:46AM

Yes, this is a test to see how long I'll keep coming back to see Anon's ramblings.
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Date: August 07, 2025 12:16PM

Fun fact: 1486: a catholic priest, Sir Richard Simon, finished training a man named Lambert to pretend to be the king. He was captured in battle at Stoke Field, employed in the king's kitchen and later became one of his falconers. This would have enabled the king to question him. The project to train him must have lasted some years, and yet no part of catholicism suffered in the recriminations.
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Date: August 10, 2025 11:40PM

Fun fact: That's odd, so is what happened next:

1488: King Henry VII took sides in a war between Brittany and France that was a disastrous tactical decision, and strictly followed Murphy's Law: if something can go wrong, it will.

The King stubbornly continued his policy of war against France and sensibly raised the tax to pay for it from those who could afford it - not the general population. But here came into effect the Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rules. These very people could most bring their wishes into effect, and they didn't see why they should pay money for pointless war with France, when they could make money by trading with it instead. So Murphy's Law continued.

Note this is the effect of the Golden Rule, not some yank fantasy about Manifest Destiny. It does not conform with their doctrine.
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Date: August 11, 2025 06:59AM

Addendum: see the note of 1484. Protestantism had not been named yet, but people were becoming bolder in ways that were inconceivable only decades earlier. This was the result of the realisation that right and wrong cannot be defined to suit those in power. No one in the establishment seems to have been prepared for it.

Compare this with the medieval adage that 'rebellion comes from above', and 'if Jack and Tom take to their bills (a medieval weapon), look closely to see what lord is profited thereby'.
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Date: August 11, 2025 11:08AM

Fun fact: My mother's ancestors were anabaptists, early protestants, who were tortured and murdered through the 1500's into the 1600's by Catholics and Lutherans. By the 1700's the murders had ceased but persecution continued and that is how the family came to disembark from a ship in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 1727 escaping that crap. Pretty similar situation to refugees in the US today who are having their protections removed and facing return to the places they fled, often running for their lives. Fuck Trump, we're all immigrants in the US aside from the Native Americans from all of the Americas.
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Date: August 12, 2025 12:27AM

Quasi, please, take the time, I can wait, think through your family lore about Anabaptists. I could make this a much lengthier post if you like.
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Date: August 14, 2025 06:00AM

Fun fact: 1513: King Henry VIII won a battle against the French entirely by artillery: "The array of the Frenchmen was broken."
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Date: August 18, 2025 12:20AM

Fun fact: 1530: the New Testament was openly printed in English, the catholic bishops tried to ban it. Among other claims they said it was inaccurate. King Henry VIII simply demanded a more accurate translation, so the bishop's plan was foiled.
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Date: August 20, 2025 11:04PM

Fun fact: the Protestant English parliament, seeing King Henry VIII had his wants, not just marriages but money, treated them as exchanges: in return the Statute Against Buggery was passed in 1533 (catholic priests, it seems, were raping little kids then too) and an act against the catholic church selling 'dispensations', to marry your cousin, amongst others. Sometimes the parliament pushed hard, and Henry VIII executed some speakers. Out of this turbulence came a constitutionally limited monarchy and our modern parliamentary system. The winners were the public who pay tax and elect to parliament, and Protestantism. From these two comes a large and wealthy middle class. Middle class assets are always secure under protestant governments. A middle class holding assets, wealth and power deny these from nobility and bishops.
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Date: August 23, 2025 09:51PM

Addendum: catholicism taught people who couldn't read to believe the Bible, and that it prohibits a list of things, but you may do them if you pay money! It's a business model. The Protestant English parliament shut it down. Also, the road to our modern parliamentary system went through the English Civil War - over hundred years later, that, among other things, related to the role of bishops in society, and was started by 30 catholic priests who accompanied the French princess when she arrived to marry the English king.
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Date: August 27, 2025 12:07PM

Fun fact: 1532: England's parliament prohibited the church of Rome from sending money to the vatican, and calculated that, since the reign of Henry VII, they had sent out 60,000 pounds sterling. (Butchers in London sold 2 1/2 pounds of beef for 1 penny.)
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Date: August 30, 2025 05:39PM

Fun facts: 1533: the English parliament enacted that no one may appeal for any cause out of the Realm to the court of Rome, on 7 September, birth of the future Queen Elizabeth I, there was undeclared war with Scotland, not connected with France, and the pope sent a curse, accusing both Henry VIII and the Realm.
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Date: September 03, 2025 11:20PM

Fun facts: 1534:

- the first catholic conspiracy to assassinate King Henry VIII and depose his Queen Anne was
foiled. This plot used one Elizabeth Barton, in the same way as an ancient Greek oracle,
where a priestess spoke in a fake trance. She was treated as a catholic miracle. She
became a nun, and, with the other key conspirators, was executed by order of parliament.

- The Scots tried to falsely accuse a northern English Lord of treason. It failed.

- Parliament declared that the pope had no authority and should be banished from the
Realm, and no longer called pope, but Bishop of Rome. That is what they were originally
called, centuries earlier, just one of many bishops, but used family connections, money,
murder, the destruction of documents, at least one forged document (The Gift of
Constantine) and dirty political deals to become pre-eminent.

- Act of Supremacy - King Henry VIII became head of the Church of England.
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Date: September 07, 2025 09:11PM

Fun facts: 1535:

- Irish rebellion.

- Anyone who denied the Act of Supremacy was beheaded.

- Irish rebellion crushed.

- 'Visitors' under Thomas Cromwell and Doctor Lee, were sent to all abbies, priories and nunneries in England. All priests under 24 years old were paid for their religious clothing and sent
away, so no one else was to join their establishments. All nuns were given secular women's clothes and sent out, all valuables were taken from these places for the king's use "they said."
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Date: September 08, 2025 01:19PM

Fun fact: On this date in 1534 (Sept. 8th, or possibly Sept. 9th), Grietchen Bildesnider was burned at the stake on the Vrijthof in Maastricht, Netherlands. She was an Anabaptist.
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Date: September 09, 2025 11:06AM

So she believed in absolute obedience to all established governments, however tyrannical, practised adult baptism, naked and often, and what of children in what we would call a swingers' club with the bible attached... or a blackmail ring? Is there anything about them in your family lore?

As for modern day human sacrifice, one of my relatives was burned by the catholic Queen Mary at Oxford. The family did something about it: another relative brought his own ship to the battle against the Spanish Armarda, and an ancestor was a junior officer on Drake's flagship The Hind.
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The family lore only really begins with arrival in north America via a secondhand source covering the Church of the Brethren, a pacifist sect of anabaptists similar to Mennonites.
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Date: September 10, 2025 10:17AM

All right then.
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Date: September 11, 2025 12:10AM

Fun facts:

1536: 376 small catholic religious houses were confiscated, the occupants expelled. Their lands earned 32,000
pounds a year, separately Robin Hood's pennyworths was 100,000 pounds. The government ordered that all clergy
teach their congregations the articles of the Church of England in English, and other articles.

Two rebellions in northern England put down.

1537: one rebellion in northern England put down. Monks and priests were executed for these rebellions.
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Date: September 14, 2025 01:05PM

Fun facts:

1538: the catholic item called the "Roode of Grace" was shown at Paul's Cross church and broken up.

Catholic images used for pilgrimages were broken up and burned "for avoiding of idolatory."

The government ordered that every church have a bible in English, for everyone to read, and a register for every
marriage, christening and burial in the parish "for ever".

The abbeys (all abbeys were catholic) were seized and their treasures confiscated.
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Date: September 17, 2025 11:21PM

Fun facts:

1538: the first mention of Anabaptists. They preached absolute obedience to all established governments, however
tyrannical, practised adult baptism, naked and often, and other things. Today we would cynically call it a
blackmail ring. See the Note for 1473. It may have been a faction of catholicism pretending to be Protestantism.
They were executed.

Two bishops resigned their bishoprics into the king's hand. Note that "Elections in the Church of England shall be
free" is in the Magna Carta, but the monarch can sack someone.
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Date: September 18, 2025 12:36PM

Fun fact: On this date in 1564 (Sept. 18th), Maeyken Boosers was burned at the stake in Tournai, Belgium. She was an anabaptist, 24 years old.
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Date: September 19, 2025 02:06AM

Interesting, that would mean burned by catholics.
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The anabaptists were persecuted by the Catholics and Lutherans.
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Date: September 19, 2025 12:34PM

My knowledge of Anabaptists comes from two sources: a book on cults, mostly forgettable crazies, and a newspaper report in Sydney in the 1990's. The book, whose name I forget, used medieval European sources and stated they used the Bible, preached "Absolute obedience to all established governments, however tyrannical" and held 'events' at night, where someone would put out the lights and they "laid hands on each other, a man with a man, a woman with a woman, however it worked out", with their constant arrests due to attempts to recruit "men with attractive wives".

It was the newspaper report that mentioned abuse of children. In the 1990's. I understood it to mean in Australia.

The book also mentioned the pilgrims on the Mayflower, treated them as separate from the Anabaptists and said not only that they used the Bible, but that a girl was only considered immoral by them if she fell pregnant out of marriage twice.

Of particular note is the timing of their first appearance (in 1538): when printing was violently banned in Europe by catholic governments; when the most commonly sought printed material was the Bible, and; the vatican had organised a war against Bohemia to enforce its control (in 1429), as a population who read the Bible stop being catholic (right from wrong cannot be defined to suit those in power - see the first Fun fact).

So it seems impossible it's a protestant denomination. So what is it?

It's of particular note to me as a catholic run organisation that tried to recruit me stated the same thing about obedience to government, but in different words. The two key men trying to recruit me were employed as protestant clergy. When the history of protestantism is the exact opposite: 'Protestant' is a German term for armed protester: from armed men, protesting an order by the catholic German Emperor in the 1500's (to murder everyone reading the Bible).
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Date: September 21, 2025 03:05AM

Fun facts: 1538:

- the bishop of Rome called for a crusade against England. Nothing came of it.

- Multiple monks and priests executed for denying the King is head of the Church of England.

- Former catholic priories, having been seized, were now being sold.

- All assets of the Order/house/knights and so on, of St. Johns, Rhodes, and others, were seized.
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Date: September 24, 2025 11:07PM

Fun fact: 1541: a rebellion in northern England was crushed.

These rebellions were farcical. Catholic monks and priests would work up a population under secular captains, the king's army would appear in force, the population would go home, the monks, priests and captains would be executed. Yet the church of Rome kept trying.
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Date: September 29, 2025 01:56AM

Fun facts: 1541:

- up to this time the Protestant parliament was bargaining heavily for money: claiming a lack of funds to maintain the
size of the force the King could muster: that there was simply not that much money in the Realm. The numbers
don't add up. A former English King marched 300,000 men into Scotland, yet Henry VIII had no army at any time
greater than 10,500. Yes, artillery was expensive, but once purchased it's bought. This seems to have led to the first
careful examination of how England's economy worked - thus the prohibition on the church of Rome taking money
out of the Realm. Of course, that's what all Protestants want, but there was no prohibition on merchants taking
money out of the Realm to buy things, and on it goes.

- Defunding of a corrupt institution took various forms. See the note for 1535: "they said".

See the family home, estate and fortune then established by one of the commissioners who dismantled the church
of Rome's institutions: Chatsworth - still the grandest country house in England. Ironic then, its debauched paintings
were done by catholic artists. But Protestants had grown up with a 'church' that expressed itself in fees and moral
licence.

- 1543: France confederated with the Ottomans, then bickered with England. War was declared. The army that went
into France was only 6000.

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Date: October 01, 2025 11:49AM

Fun fact: 1544: in an attempt to fund his wars, King Henry VIII minted debased coin (devaluing money, such as inflation). Later, Queen Jane I (Lady Jane Grey was queen for 9 days) was said to have been deposed and executed after saying "The people want a real penny". These coins were called in by Elizabeth I and melted down.
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Date: October 05, 2025 10:45PM

Fun fact: 1547:

King Henry VIII died and Edward VI reigned. One of his first acts was to write to all churches: to remove all images, to avoid idolatry, to persuade people to abandon the use of beads and such catholic ceremonies that rule behaviour and take up time ('Donkeys' is how some in the catholic heirachy view their followers). "Going in procession" was forbidden and the bible and Epistle were to be read in English (not Latin).

In August an English army invaded Scotland, and at the Battle of Pinkie Cleugh near Musselburgh killed 14,000 Scots and took 1500 prisoners, for the loss of 60 Englishmen. This massive disproportion in losses was echoed later by the English fighting the Spanish Armada in 1588 and the Battle of Vinegar Hill in Ireland in 1798 (both of them losses of about 1 Protestant to 100 catholics). When inspired by monks and priests, the catholic tactic is to simply hurl themselves forward. Their losses don't matter. They simply have to win, when in truth it's the priests and monks who would win, whereas Protestants like to sit back and use guns.

(Regards Scotland, note the different ratios of losses when Robert Bruce or William Wallace was in charge, but they had their own political ambitions and that's not part of the catholic model.)

Parliament gave the king all Chantries, free churches and brotherhoods, and legislated changes to the sacrament in bread and wine, and repealed the Six Articles.

In other words, with a Protestant educated boy king aged 9 on the throne, the Protestants were getting everything they wanted.
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Date: October 09, 2025 08:37PM

Fun facts: 1548:

- congregations suddenly had freedom over church services, could refuse communion, and all had to be in English
(not Latin).

- An army of 10,000 men arrived in Scotland from abroad to fight against England. They were sent packing by an
army of 15,000 English.

- The Church of St. John of Jerusalem in London was deliberately blown up by the government, its stones then used
in another project. Such was the thoroughness of expunging catholicism.

- Anabaptism was still being crushed wherever it was found.

- Peace treaty between England, Scotland, France and Germany.
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Date: October 11, 2025 09:30PM

Fun fact: 1550: assets seized from the cult of Rome in London earning 1000 pounds or more a year were bought by various parties for 20,000 pounds, a 5% return.

A not so fun fact: the very act of selecting the above from the English Chronicles indicates how badly managed the times I live in are. By contrast, before the Napoleonic War and the First World War, returns were 1-1.5%. That's a realistic historical average. Ever since the First World War it was 3-4%. Now, after yank economic doctrine turns out to be made up for the gullible to believe (first teach free trade, then teach free flow of money across borders, then spring Quantitative Easing as a snare), returns are 5-6%. The rates of return reflect the inflation built into the system. It is sobering to know the yanks based their doctrine on teachings originating in Britain, to justify the juicy returns of investing in government debt (excluding Mr Catillion, whom I suspect was just wrong). Inflation transfers wealth from the many, who must earn a living from wages and salary, to the few, who own income producing assets. It's what Universal Basic Income is about - the taxes to pay for it will only ever come from wages and salaries. That's not surprising, is it?

See here:

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Date: October 16, 2025 01:53AM

Fun facts:

- 1550: The altars in all churches in London were removed and replaced with tables. Suddenly small
congregations were allowed to gather around it. This is directly opposite a catholic practice of hiding
mysteries about their faith from their congregations.

- Individuals claiming to perform 'healing' were investigated, and if false, put in the stocks.

- "God makes the proud stumble."

- Government order that every house in London have an armed man to be called up. Organised by wards.

- 1552: the second instance of a gunpowder factory in London blowing up. War had changed and
industry with it.

Act of parliament banning all hoods and bishops crosses.

Catholic church held ready money, jewels, gold and silver objects, were confiscated to the king.
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Date: October 16, 2025 08:50AM

Some things will never change - last week in the U.S.:

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Well that was a fail. Here's the image.

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Without the space smiling
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Thank you, sir! See, you can teach an old dog new tricks.





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Date: October 20, 2025 04:33AM

Fun fact: 1553: having been carefully trained by Protestants for the role, King Edward VI died aged 16. Whilst prominent protestants sided with the Lady Jane, a Protestant, to be Queen, the catholic Mary mobilised men, arms and munitions and became Queen. She promptly began killing every non catholic in positions of power, clergy and civil administration, and issued debased coins, that is, to pass for more than their metal was worth, or devaluing them, using inflation to transfer wealth from the many to the government. She also set out to undo all changes in religion done by Henry VIII and Edward VI.

The fact she killed so many indicates large numbers of people in positions of influence firmly believed in Christianity as Protestants. They developed their faith when they were free to do so (any alternative explanations?) Compare with the note for 1541.
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Date: October 22, 2025 11:02PM

Fun fact: 1553: no reason is given why a catholic government would dress a cat up in clothing and hang it, take its corpse to a bishop, and then use clergy to show it to the public. I can only voice my own opinion that it's a weird cult.
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Date: October 23, 2025 01:12AM

All religions are cults, with varying degrees of absurdity and wickedness.

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Date: October 24, 2025 03:19AM

Quasi it's dirtier than you imagine. I've been preparing an old literal translation of the Bible and notice what's happened since the days of the Englishman William Tyndale: yanks have taken over translations, arranged contracts with churches in other countries that no one would explain to me (I asked here in Sydney) who removed the words: "And God creates the great dragons" from Genesis Chapter 1.

In the 1980's, from memory, someone in Washington claimed "All religions are our geopolitical tools." To lead people to a world yankeeland by deception.
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Date: October 27, 2025 04:47AM

Fun fact: 1553: the catholic government began killing all commoners who would not convert to catholicism: "John Bradford was burned in Smithfield. This Bradford was a man of very sober and honest life, and therefore the bishops would gladly have had him recant and abjure his opinions." Of the twelve men burned in Oxford, ten in one batch, two in another, one was my relative. This was purging society of all non-catholic role models. See again note 1473.
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Date: October 30, 2025 05:07AM

Fun fact: 1553: Queen Mary married the catholic King Phillip of Spain.

When he was a Prince he was part of the Snow White story: he had numerous affairs with ladies of the Spanish Court, and when he was finished with them, the catholic priests told them they should become nuns for their sins. Taking them out of his way. The Spanish government kept a German Protestant prisoner, and his female cousin arrived to secure his release. Phillip said he would release him if she slept with him. She refused. No one had done that, so he was tempted to offer marriage. His mother, the catholic queen, and witch of the story, didn't want a Protestant on the throne and poisoned her. The dwarves of the story relate to her family owned copper mines in Germany and, due to the small seams, they employed short men to dig it. Phillip later filled a gloomy administrative palace called the Escorial with more monks than public servants, and to the glory of 'God' and following the will of 'Christ', launched the Spanish Armada to invade England and make it catholic, when it was later ruled by the Protestant Elizabeth I.

The details of the Snow White story were obscured to avoid the death penalty in "most catholic" Spain.

Here you should consider why the yank Department of Defence would spend vast sums on 'grants' to yank companies to take over all discussions on the internet. And spend sums on 'donations' to internet archives. Every action you've taken on X, Facebook, Youtube, Google or Instagram, and what you've shown yourself interested in on the archives, puts you on a list. Men whose trade is killing decide what the lists' parameters are and what it or they are used for.
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Date: October 30, 2025 09:28AM

Meh, I'm pretty close to my expiration date anyway. Fuck them.
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Date: January 11, 2026 11:53PM

Fun fact: scientists have discovered that warm water absorbs less gas and carbon than cold water. So the increase in Ultraviolet Light (UV) since the 1990's heats the water and leads to an increase in carbon in the atmosphere. Not the other way around as previously thought: that an increase in carbon leads to an increase in atmospheric heat.