jgoins Report This Comment Date: January 29, 2017 12:40PM
Is Isis not Muslim? What other religions are cutting off people's head,
blowing themselves up to kill others or trying to kill the great Satan?
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: January 29, 2017 02:29PM
don't forget:
THE Crusades, The Inquisition, The Augustinians, The Council of Clermont, The
People’s Crusade, The Knights Templar, Saladin, The Massacre of the Jews of
York, Richard the Lionheart, The Teutonic Order, The Livonian Crusade, Pope
Innocent III, The Albigensian
Crusade,........................................................................
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..............................................................millions have died
in the name of their god, and they're still dying today. the hypocracy of
religion is a cancer on humanity, and has been for thousands of years and sadly
enough, there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
Onyma Report This Comment Date: January 29, 2017 04:25PM
>Is ISIS not Muslim?
jgoins, Did you have a grandmother that went to church every Sunday? Perhaps a
devout Methodist or Presbyterian? If you asked her would she have said she was
a Christian?
Now take a look at this fuck-wit in the article below. If you asked him (or
anyone else from the still active movement) they would say they are Christians
too.
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thinkprogress.org]
Should dear Granny be lumped into the same category as the guy in the article
above? They both call themselves Christians.
Muslim is not the same as Radicalized Muslims. If we allow blanket associations
like this to become acceptable then best start locking up most of the Bible belt
because of the possibility they might go extremist militia on the rest of
us.
Heck the labels of Catholic and Protestant were used frequently during the IRA
bombings through the 70's and 80's that killed thousands but I doubt anyone ran
in fear from most "Christians" of that era. Religious labels have
always fueled division as they make a nice convenient way to throw people into
groups. In reality every religion in the world contains a million shades of
grey. Fearing everyone who is Muslim is the same as fearing Granny because she
worshiped the same God as fuckwit Larry McQuilliams up there.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: January 29, 2017 06:52PM
As one who views all religion as a pox upon the unfettered progression of
humanity as a whole, for my $$ they can all pound sand when it comes to trying
to coerce me one way or another in how I should live or act. Don't need any,
don't want any, plain and simple.
That said, I'm all for you practising however or worshipping whomever or
whatever you please ... so long as no one else is harmed mentally, physically or
emotionally in the process.
Where the real rub come in with the muslimes is that theirs is not just a faith,
but a socio-political-ethocracy that encompasses far more than just worship or
devotion to their god. It also encompasses a demand that others obey their
social constructs, including their own system of laws and for those unwilling to
join in their worship of Allah, offer the choices of paying a tax so they can be
left alone, or be killed in the name of cleansing the world. Oh yeah, and if
you're a muslime who decides to opt out, that means death too.
Of course in O mans diatribe on how evil Christians are he fails to mention the
IRA never came here and walked into a bar or company Christmas party and opened
up with automatic weapons on people, attempt to stage attacks on something as
innocuous as an Allah coloring competition, nor did they attack innocent people
whose only crime against Allah was enjoying a marathon, nor take over airliners
and fly 'em into buildings. Yeah, only muslimes have ever done that shit, but
hey, we should just throw open our arms and greet any and all people who embrace
that faith, all in the name of diversity, right? Uh, that would be a huge FUCK
NO!
The US already has allowed more legal immigration than any country on the
planet, but anyone who feels we should just let any and all comers in is a
lunatic. We have no reason to do so and those who wish to emigrate here have no
authority to do so simply because they desire to.
If you Canooks wanna take in all the muslimes we're turning away, feel free to
do so. Take all you want, and when you've finally found yourselves in the throws
of what most of Europe is currently enjoying from all the lovely peace seeking
muslimes they've taken in I'll just have 3 words to leave you with ... Deal With
It!
Onyma Report This Comment Date: January 30, 2017 12:44AM
jgoins: Kim has just made my point better than I could.
He viewed my comment as an "evil Christian diatribe" while completely
missing the point that it wasn't about Muslims or Christians at all. My point
was that people mindlessly fall into the simplistic rut of applying a label to
what they don't understand because it's easy to fear something. Kim rhymes off
everything he knows about Radical Muslims and applies it to the generic label
Muslims, a religion that encompasses 1.6 Billion people in the world. If 23% of
the world practiced what Kim believes the Muslim religion is believe me the
world would be 1000x worse than it is. Just like if all Christians practiced
radical Christianity, or any such religion for that matter.
Secondly, these "Muslim bans" targeted every country that hasn't
attacked the US, while exempting those that did. (Egypt, Saudi, U.A.E, Turkey).
Kim, if you think this was about your safety then do tell why all the proven
risk countries got exceptions? It's about Trump looking good for his supporters
but not risking any of his own or the US's business interests. If it was safety
related he would have targeted the known risks... the ones that proved to be
sources for the attacks you listed.
That said, I do STRONGLY agree that religion makes the world a mess on all
levels. Full support there. But it seems to be somehow ingrained in our psyche
to believe in such fallacies to give our lives meaning. My biggest hope for the
future is that humanity will grow out of that dependency. Sadly won't be in my
lifetime, or probably for many generations to come.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: January 30, 2017 01:54AM
The countries in the ban were determined during the Odamna administration as
countries at risk of refugee infiltration. When did (Egypt, Saudi, U.A.E,
Turkey) attack us?
I was talking about religions currently practicing the bad behavior of radical
Muslims. What has happened in the past is not important other religions have
outgrown there bad behavior and most people don't tolerate others in their
religion killing other people now for religion.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 30/01/2017 01:58AM by jgoins.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: January 30, 2017 02:53AM
O man, you seemed to have totally missed my central point so let me reiterate
it here for emphasis:
Where the real rub come in with the muslimes is that theirs is not just a faith,
but a socio-political-ethocracy that encompasses far more than just worship or
devotion to their god. It also encompasses a demand that others obey their
social constructs, including their own system of laws and for those unwilling to
join in their worship of Allah, offer the choices of paying a tax so they can be
left alone, or be killed in the name of cleansing the world. Oh yeah, and if
you're a muslime who decides to opt out, that means death too.
If the lessons the French, Germans, Swedes and other euro countries that have
welcomed unmitigated immigration of these wonderful folks isn't enough to
showcase the dangers of their actions I'm quite sure no other logic is likely to
help open your eyes either Hi Ho
Since your own govt is so compassionate and has made it known they'd welcome
these folks, perhaps you'd enjoy putting your $$ where your mouth is and make
your digs available to some of 'em. Libs are miraculous at telling everyone else
what they should or shouldn't do, but when the rubber meets the road it's
altogether different if they're expected to take their own advice
pulse Report This Comment Date: January 30, 2017 03:36AM
The September 11 crew were financed by Saudi Arabia, a number of the involved
terrorists were Saudi born and/or citizens, Al-Qaeda itself was funded by
Saudis, there's been a number of links over the years, don't try to pretend
they're your friends.
Now, I don't give a shit about all of that, but I saw first hand today the step
towards making America great again.
I work for a very large Australian company. We've been in discussions with a
very large American company the purchase of $20M worth of equipment to do some
lifecycle upgrades of some stuff which by all means should've been taken out and
shot a long time ago.
Myself, my colleagues, and management, have all made annual trips to the US for
the past several years in May to discuss the next round of purchases, and how we
can help them to help us. As of this morning, that trip has been cancelled. 8
company reps + 7 vendor reps; all not going. 15 business class return flights
with United. 15 hotel rooms for 10 days, plus restaurant meals, bookings
companies, hire cars, entertainment; you get the idea.
The entire purchase is now up in the air. I don't know what the outcome will be;
it remains to be seen. So far no discussion of alternatives, just cancelled.
But my bosses, bosses boss is a non-practicing Singaporean muslim.
Not saying it's definitely related; but it's one hell of a coincidence. We were
all going on Friday afternoon when we had a meeting on the subject.
edit: Or maybe it's also the fact that Trump has signed an executive order
meaning there's absolutely no data privacy laws for foreigners in, or dealing
with, American companies. To quote a Slashdot article: As a non-American, I find
it curious that the person who says he wants to bring jobs to America is simply
confirming the post-Snowden belief that America is not a safe place to do
business.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 30/01/2017 03:44AM by pulse.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: January 30, 2017 12:40PM
If a group of people born in Texas were to move to Australia and decided to
kill thousands using money from Texas to do it should Texas be held responsible
for the act?
I don't know for certain if Saudi government gave Bin Laden money or if it came
from individuals or groups in the country nor do I care, they don't appear to be
harboring terrorist.
I don't know why your company has cancelled it's trip but I am sure your country
is not part of the ban so it may not be cancelled from our end.
pulse Report This Comment Date: January 30, 2017 01:49PM
Swing and a miss
woberto Report This Comment Date: January 31, 2017 11:39AM
Pulse your company makes me sick. Hiring all those African animals for the
advertising campaigns instead of hard working Aussie animals!
Oh and tell your boss to buy all that shit from Israel. Seriously.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: January 31, 2017 12:34PM
Which is a swing and a miss?
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: January 31, 2017 06:22PM
the uh, so if yada yada yada defenses never work.
if they do, don't bother carrying on, they'll never get it.
