Mrkim Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 01:45AM
I managed to get myself banned from a "conservative" blog site today,
woohooo!!
One of the mods had started an all out attack thread on a candidate that was so
full of holes it could have been used for a sieve. When myself and several
others began to post data in opposition to the mods BS we were warned that
"attacking" a mod or any member could lead to suspension.
When several of us made mention of posts having been deleted by opposing
commentors, like myself and others, they closed and locked down the thread to
shut down any further dissent.
I guess the final straw came when I went into another thread that was actually
an identical bash on this same candidate that had been open for over 2 months
and made mention of how the similar thread had been locked down after only 2
days because of dissenting views.
In a matter of minutes I received the notice I had been "suspended"
from playin in their sandbox.
BTW, pulse and DK, never fear I did not send them the message you see here, I
just did it for kicks to post here.
But .... my most sincere thanks go out to you cats for truly allowing one of
what is now an ever dwindling number of places on the 'net where people can
always unabashedly speak their mind with only a very few and certainly
reasonable constraints on what is allowable.
If I wore a hat I'd take it off, just for you guys
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 02:01AM
Haha! Go boy go! I think you should've posted it anyway but I understand your
reasons for restraint.
I hardly EVER agree with any political opinions here or anywhere else but I sure
as hell have and will stand up for your rights to express yourself, even if I
don't like it or don't agree with you.
¤¥¤ Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 02:04AM
There is no freedom of speech when you are posting on someone else's website,
blog, forums, ect.
They own it and they have the right to control what it shown or not shown and
who is allowed to post there.
They can censor whoever they want for whatever reason. If you don't like it pay
for your own website and post whatever you want.
From what I have seen from him here, I am almost positive he totally deserved
that ban and it was probably overdue.
woberto Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 02:04AM
"...the last truly FREE corners of the Internet"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 20/08/2011 03:09AM by woberto.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 02:18AM
That is your opinion and in MY opinion you are certainly free to express it and
that is my point. As I said, I hardly EVER agree with any of the political
opinions here. I do not think they should be censored though. I don't like
arguing politics so I generally don't. That is my freedom of choice.
I think plus613 is about as close to a free expression site as can exist. In
cases where I did not think so I have voiced my opinion, that is, when I've
wanted to.
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 03:23AM
huh...according to the spell-check, you misspelled
fucksticks...looks ok
to me
pulse Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 03:35AM
Aww shucks, thanks guys
Feeling the love.
I can't tell you how hard it was to resist editing the post about 4 above mine
where it says people can do whatever they want on their forums though
kim: Wouldn't have cared if you posted that
When the site started back in 2003 (and was a very different beast to what we
have now), we always said we didn't want to moderate anything, at all.
Unfortunately, it couldn't continue on that way. It became a porn site mostly,
hence splitting it off. Aside from spam, I don't believe we've ever deleted or
moderated a single image/forum comment. I guess a site like this will never be a
critical or commercial success, but then again it was never meant to be. DK,
revert and I never sat down and said "I know, we'll make a million dollars
from a picture site".. (though the fact that Facebook started the same year
isn't lost on me)
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 04:05AM
Hey ¤¥¤, no shit? Really? As if that's supposed to be some amazing
revelation I suppose
However, let's get to the core of what's what here, shall we?
We talking about a politically based site calling themselves conservatives in
nature and similarly touting themselves as a place conservatives can gather to
share and disseminate information on elements of the conservative cause and how
current events and policies effect society and governance.
Now we conservatives typically are ones who tout and push Constitutional issues
and positions. With that in mind, what is the 1st amendment to the
Constitution? Isn't it the one that empowers free speech .... why yes I think it
is, matter of fact I'm 10000% sure that's its intent, and one conservatives tend
to hold forth as one of the most important of our rights.
So Ok, now we have a conservative site who (when the agenda suits them) allows
free speech, so long as it's not in opposition to their mods and does not
threaten other posters. Next we have this site also deleting posts to disallow
opposing views, in essence, practicing nothing short of outright censorship.
However they never delete any posts totally in agreement with their positions
and the chats there are usually nothing short of schmooze fests all in all.
So what we wind up with is a conservative political site claiming to support the
very freedom of speech, so long as it's in agreement with the mods and then
censoring others attempting to utilize the concepts of this supposed freedom to
expound on political topics and then simply deleting the accounts of those who
fail to fall in line with their BS.
Yeah, I'd kinda hafta say their support for anything actually resembling
conservativism or free speech is far from how these ideas would reasonably work
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 20/08/2011 04:10AM by Mrkim.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 04:37AM
Nah pulse, I thought about it and felt it would have been less than fair to
drag this site into such a discussion in any way at all. Also my post would only
have gone to one of their limp dick mods and never have made it onto anyone
elses screen anyway. The post I did send them in response to my accounts
suspension was way milder than this was while essentially bringing forth my
thoughts on their lack of being anything they purported themselves to be and let
it go at that.
When another dissenting poster had posted a warning from the mod (actually the
threads author) warning of possible suspension of his account I posted I
understood it was their sandbox and their rules and if they felt like HIS posts
were attacks (which were actually mannerly, respectful, simple dissent with the
author), that I wondered how mine would be viewed if not terroristic
comparatively and that if they so chose to ban me to by all means get jiggy with
it!
Kinda like my sister is quick to say of me "You'll never get to wear the
'Plays Well With Others' T-shirt". I really liked Blahs comment recently
about his "give a shit bein busted" as it seems most fitting for
myself most of time
Anyway ... totally shiftin gears here, so what happened to revert, what's the
scoop? Inquiring minds wanna know
woberto Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 04:51AM
I thought caddis and revert were the same person but I recall being told by
pulse that's not the case.
One of them is a girl, I reckon it's DK.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 04:55AM
As an update to my give-a-shit functionality I will add that it seems to be
only selectively busted depending on subject matter and mood. But to be honest I
mostly just flip the switch to the O.F.F. (Oh Fucking Forget-it) position.
pulse Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 06:00AM
I don't think my Give-A-Shit has ever worked, and lately neither does my
Can-Be-Fucked. As in, I can't be fucked dealing with most of the shit I have
to.
Anyway, revert just trailed off really after a year, maybe two. Maybe it was
around the time of the porn split, I can't really remember. I've known him since
I was 5 or 6 (so like, a year now). He got married (I was best man), having
kids, etc. I think progressively probably 99% (if not 100) of the code he wrote
for the site has been replaced/redone. Not sure if there's anything left
anymore, if there is there's not much.
Caddis was another guy, he and I started the plus613 IRC channel where all this
spawned from but he never had anything to do with the site. DK isn't female, but
is certainly a bitch. I just kick ass.
plus613 (the site) is approaching its 8th birthday now. The IRC channel is
probably 15 years old, but pretty much dead these days. Fuck I feel old
When I think of the money and time that's been
spent on these sites, I'm pretty sure we should've been multi-millionaires many
times over.. Being 100% honest, this place wouldn't exist if it weren't for you
guys, we'd have pulled the pin a long time ago.
As for politics.. One of the biggest problems with zealots of any agenda is the
inability to recognise any opposing point of view. Even if that view is on the
same "side". Different = bad = wrong.
As far as I'm concerned, fundamentalist
anything is the cause of most of
the problems in the world. People who simply can't look past their own bullshit
fuck things up for everybody else. Grab a bong, smoke a spliff, chill the fuck
out and things will be alright in the morning. That was always my opinion
GAK67 Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 08:35AM
I'm sure Mrkim's comments on the site he was suspended from were opinionated
and that he didn't hold back from expressing that opinion. Like Pulse said
though, they would have been too zealous in their own opinion to recognise an
opposing point of view. I also agree with Pulse about fundamentalism - it's the
scourge of any organisation and/or belief structure.
Mrkim, like most people on this site, will respect the right for somebody to
have a different opinion to his own (therefore he will recognise an opposing
point of view). That doesn't mean he wont tell you if he thinks that opinion is
wrong.
Personally I think you are better off without having to deal with the
small-mindedness of the mods on that site, and I think I picked up from the tone
of your posts Mrkim that you feel the same way.
I would also like to thank Pulse and DK for this site
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 01:58PM
It's easy for me to do a lil honest self inspection and see how most of my
ideologies and methodologies came from my Mom.
She always taught us to never accept the status quo as the best way anything
could be done, to never accept anything at face value, nor anyones opinion or
position on anything as truth, always pointing to the idea that only after
careful personal inspection of all sides of an issue could a reasonable
determination be made in where truth did or did not lie. She was also careful to
just as quickly point out that even in doing proper due diligence, one still had
to always accept the possibility that the eventual considered conclusion could
still be incorrect.
She was a masterful debater and taught us early on the value of takin the devils
advocate position in debate as a method of exploring the other side of a
personally held position. Debate was always welcomed by her, whereas argument
was not. We were always told that debate should always be devoid of emotion and
that no amount of personal attack was acceptable and, once either party crossed
over these boundaries, the point was then ceded to the opposer.
This all tended to infuriate my Dad though as he often viewed our debates as
argumentative and disrespectful towards my Mom and he NEVER welcomed debate on
any opinion he held, though Mama herself never saw it as such and instead that
she was teaching us to always push and probe any and all things in search of the
ever elusive "truth".
I was similarly taught an unusual concept in regards to respect. We were told
that all people were equal and that respect could never be based upon anyones
position in life, wealth, or lack of it, whatever level of education they'd
achieved, or any other such factors, and instead was an elusive quality based
mostly in how one treated others. Mama was fond of sayin "No one can ever
demand respect. People can only command respect through their actions and
deeds.".
Now that lil gem has problee tended to have caused me lots of grief over the
years as what this represented to me was a concept that we were empowered to go
toe to toe with anyone, no matter what their position since we all were equals
and each one put their pants on one leg at a time each mornin, which tends to
not always be the most productive position to work from when dealing with those
in "perceived" positions of power.
School principals, cops, judges, etc. who tend to hold up their positions of
authority as if they are shields against any type of reproach by those of us
they perceive themselves to have the right to lord over tend to sometimes enjoy
flexing their positionary muscle when you question them, so in these cases
respect for the idea that "shutting the fuck up" is sometimes the best
course of action, which I tend to forget .... A LOT, a really, really lot
When it came to the freedom of expression and respect for others rights to it,
as well as our own boundaries she was always quick to say "I'll defend your
right to any opinion you choose to hold and will defend to my last breath your
right to that opinion whether I am in agreement with it or not!". I at
least "like" to think I get this one right, most of the time. Always
knowing people in general hold differing opinions on things it seems important
to grasp that everyone has a right to their view of things, no matter how one
feels personally relevant to their position.
My Mom really was a wise and wonderful lady. I really miss her ;(
So, enough of that heaviocity BS, let's get onto some fun stuff like: What
leads to DKs fascination with goats? Will pulses and Blahs give-a-shit meters
ever make it back from the shop? Will 'berto find true love in Oz? Will PJs
cat ever pass his drivers test so they can finally team drive in puuuurfect
harmony? Will GAK finally become the supreme ruler of Kiwiland? And ... will
fossil make it out here today so I can finally get the batch of new music an
moovies he's been hoardin up for me loaded onto the server while we dine on fine
Chinese cuisine?
All this and more on todays installment of "As the Data Flows"
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 20, 2011 06:40PM
My give-a-shit isn't in the shop. I just turn it off a lot of the time.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: August 21, 2011 09:39AM
Don't forget the biggest question of all, will Madmex ever grow a brain cell?
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 21, 2011 11:01PM
Unfortunately my gag reflex doesn't have an on/off switch.
We are seriously fucking awesome, though, even if we're mostly a bunch of
tardwhacks and nutjobs.
pulse Report This Comment Date: August 22, 2011 02:44AM
Mostly??
GAK67 Report This Comment Date: August 22, 2011 04:47AM
Tardwhack is a new one to me - must be an Americanism. Nutjob I know, often
referred to a nutbar down here. Is that any way to refer to the supreme ruler of
Kiwiland (to use Mrkim's words)?
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: August 22, 2011 11:05AM
i prefer dingleberry.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: August 22, 2011 11:42AM
I prefer doddering old fool
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 22, 2011 03:24PM
Tardwhack is from a guy I used to work with and I think he made it up. I never
heard it before that. I like dinglefritz too. Don't remember where I heard that
one from.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: August 23, 2011 10:59AM
Of course my kids call me perverted because I am 60 and have all this porn on
my puter. Hell I am old not dead.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 23, 2011 02:26PM
If you're showing your porn to your own kids maybe you ARE perverted.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: August 24, 2011 10:30AM
My kids are adults and it's not my porn just downloaded porn. On top of that
they do things I never would have even imagined in my heyday.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 24, 2011 04:57PM
I forgot the smiley. I figured your kids were adults and such but didn't want
to miss the opportunity for a rib jab
jgoins Report This Comment Date: August 25, 2011 10:34AM
Well I guess you are right, I am perverted and I wear the badge proudly.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 25, 2011 01:35PM
Ok so you're a racist and a perv. What's next? You're a Wayne Newton fan?
jgoins Report This Comment Date: August 26, 2011 11:30AM
I do kind of like Wayne's music but I like classical, bluegrass, cowboy music
and elevator music too. What is that called? At least I admit to my
shortcommings(?). Oh and I am never politically correct.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: August 26, 2011 10:25PM
"shortcommings"
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 04:46AM
Muzak.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: August 27, 2011 11:08AM
I also go to Sonic Drive In to listen to the music.
