BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: February 06, 2011 04:47PM
I know I've seen this one before. Help me out here `Lando.
Mach Report This Comment Date: February 06, 2011 05:41PM
That was downright refreshing.
It's all of the attention that those anti-gunners give the crazy people when
they shoot someone, it gives them all of the attention they've been looking for
their whole life.
Fuck political correctness, it only hurts, it never helps.... it is just a type
of passive-aggressiveness that is put in place to control society. Control
people but if they say fuck off then they show themselves to be the "bad
guy."
Onyma Report This Comment Date: February 06, 2011 07:11PM
Hoax on a hoax on a hoax on an age old tale.
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ORLANDO399 Report This Comment Date: February 06, 2011 07:48PM
That's a goody...lol
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: February 06, 2011 09:35PM
`Lando was right. Just a matter of time. Busted.
Hp Report This Comment Date: February 06, 2011 10:20PM
Fat snake! if it is a spoof, we need more local heros like this guy to tell the
namby pamby PC correctness brigade to phuk orf.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: February 07, 2011 10:19AM
What dopes. The subject of gun control has little to do with the subject of
political correctness, which btw is an oxymoron. And yes, sorry bubble-heads, it
is a hoax. And more importantly F_D is BUSTED! P_J put up the same hoax in 2009
with a different pic. Read it and weep. Turn in your badges, both of you.
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jgoins Report This Comment Date: February 07, 2011 12:30PM
Political correctness is basically doing something other people are doing
because they THINK it is the right thing to do. People think it is the right
thing to do to ban smoking because they think it will save lives, even though it
is none of their business. People think seatbelts save lives once again none of
their business. Outlaw fast foods people think it will save lives, again none
of their business. All of these things and more are politically correct
viewpoints and have no effect to people not doing the actions but people think
it is their business to change the actions of others. More gun control is not
needed. We have enough gun laws now all we need to do is enforce the ones we
have. The post here is a hoax but the subject of apropos and the one liner is
great.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: February 07, 2011 02:23PM
my lawyer is laughing his ass off.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: February 07, 2011 03:14PM
I agree with you concerning gun laws. I don't agree that the subject has much
directly to do with PC. PC is another term tossed around by people without
knowing what it really means but that's par for the course around here
American Heritage Dictionary: politically correct
adj. (Abbr. PC)
1. Of, relating to, or supporting broad social, political, and educational
change, especially to redress historical injustices in matters such as race,
class, gender, and sexual orientation.
2. Being or perceived as being overconcerned with such change, often to the
exclusion of other matters.
GAK67 Report This Comment Date: February 07, 2011 05:09PM
@jgoins - I kind of agree with you regarding the seatbelts and fast food - if
you want to kill yourself that way it's not really my business, except that here
in NZ, and also a lot of other countries (Australia and UK for instance), the
health system is government funded so if you eat too much junk food it's gonna
cost me in taxes when you have your quadruple bypass surgery. The same argument
applies to wearing seat belts, smoking and guns. The other argument against guns
and smoking is that they can also harm me directly. Second hand smoking is
proven to have health impacts and you don't have the right to impinge on my
enjoyment of life by clogging up my lungs, so I support smoking bans in public
spaces - even outdoors. As for guns, if there are more guns around there is more
of a chance that a bullet can end up coming in my direction - so that has a lot
to do with me.
That said, the original (fake) post is funny and I agree completely with the
sentiment. By the reporter's logic, every military trained person on the planet
is a potential violent murderer, whereas in reality every military trained
person I have met has more self discipline than the general population, plus a
strong sense of right and wrong.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: February 08, 2011 03:30AM
My whole issue with govt. mandated crap is that my business is essentially not
theirs to decide for me. To believe or act otherwise simply leads one down a
path of governance by others ideologies and principles I'm likely to disagree
with as valid in addressing my wants, needs and principles.
Basically it all comes down to whether one adopts the "for the greater
good" philosophy and then willing accepts the caveat of that choice being
that you are then accepting subservience and subjugation of self that choice
entails, or .... that you live for and by your own ideologies/philosophies,
taking responsibility for that choice instead, which all in all is actually much
more challenging. Afterall, swimmin upstream is always more difficult than just
goin with the flow, like "a good little fishy".
Having spent a lifetime never accepting the status quo and having found endless
enjoyment in bucking conventional wisdom and ideologies on a near daily basis, I
much prefer the latter as I know it's the only path that suits me
tj Report This Comment Date: February 08, 2011 04:29AM
Blah shut the fuck up
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: February 08, 2011 04:35AM
stomping on his freedom of speech are ya?
jgoins Report This Comment Date: February 08, 2011 02:01PM
If we give up personal choice in anyway we will lose our freedom. I believe in
personal choice but I also believe we should accept the responsibility of our
choices. I have always smoked but I never smoked where it would interfere with
others. I never walked into any building smoking a cigarette and only smoked
where it was allowed even before the bans. I live in a country where there is
no government healthcare yet so if I am injured by not wearing a seatbelt then
it is on my dime. The same goes for fast food if I over indulge then it is on
my dime (but I never do). I have always owned guns and folow the current laws
with respect to their use. Here in America we have nough laws governing guns
and their use so if we just enforce them we would be ok. There are many items
which can be used as weapons and can kill. Maybe we should ban steak knives or
forks. Just remember that criminals can always get guns even where they are
totally outlawed so if you outlaw guns then only criminals will have guns and
there are not enough police to protect everyone.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: February 08, 2011 02:39PM
funny how we are one of the few countries that have not been
invaded......hmmmmm....coincidence?
Mach Report This Comment Date: February 08, 2011 03:09PM
fossil_digger Wrote:
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> funny how we are one of the few countries that
> have not been invaded......hmmmmm....coincidence?
We are constantly being invaded, from the inside. Internal is way more dangerous
than external!
fossil, I know you want to watch a video, here is a
review of Zeitgeist:
Moving Forward (Part 3), I agree with this guy, good stuff.
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www.youtube.com]
Zeitgeist
Part 3 OFFICIAL RELEASE
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: February 08, 2011 04:28PM
Remember McVeigh and Oklahoma City? Not only an internal attack but from a
criminal with US military training.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: February 08, 2011 05:11PM
yes Mach i've seen it a couple times.
blah; i should've clarified....from another country (terrorist cowardly attacks
do not count)
WOLVERINES!!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/02/2011 05:12PM by fossil_digger.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: February 08, 2011 06:03PM
F_D that last comment of mine was more for what Gak and JL said. Timing was off
I suppose tho not thru any fault of mine.
And TJ, no I won't shut the fuck up.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: February 09, 2011 10:48AM
Well Fossil we are being invaded by Mexico.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: February 09, 2011 02:24PM
i don't see the southern hemisphere exodus as an invasion, it's nothing but
people pursuing the fake "American dream" created by politicians
(mostly Demochimps) attempting to boost their future voter base (example: anchor
babies). not to mention their need to get out of the way of the cartels and
their ruthless disregard for human life. i don't blame hispanics of any country
for wanting the "dream", but what they need to understand is that it
is falsely intended (trying to insert a new lower class of workers, wage and
otherwise, to offset their retarded over-taxation and regulatory measures
sending as many manufacturing jobs and such to China, India, etc,to extend
governments failed policies keeping themselves in power and to keep paying off
their buddies in labor unions, bankers,insurance companies etc). we always seem
to find a way to fuck ourselves and until this thinking is abolished in
Washington, it will only get worse.
Mach Report This Comment Date: February 09, 2011 08:10PM
fossil_digger Wrote:
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> i don't see the southern hemisphere exodus as an
> invasion, it's nothing but people pursuing the
> fake "American dream" created by politicians
> (mostly Demochimps) attempting to boost their
> future voter base (example: anchor babies). not to
> mention their need to get out of the way of the
> cartels and their ruthless disregard for human
> life. i don't blame hispanics of any country for
> wanting the "dream", but what they need to
> understand is that it is falsely intended (trying
> to insert a new lower class of workers, wage and
> otherwise, to offset their retarded over-taxation
> and regulatory measures sending as many
> manufacturing jobs and such to China, India,
> etc,to extend governments failed policies keeping
> themselves in power and to keep paying off their
> buddies in labor unions, bankers,insurance
> companies etc). we always seem to find a way to
> fuck ourselves and until this thinking is
> abolished in Washington, it will only get worse.
Hmmmm... kinda like a giant type of "political correctness."
I was a little disappointed when I read that fossil, I generally agreed with it,
so I can't really start any trouble for the fun of it here, oh well, there's
always next time.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: February 09, 2011 09:25PM
reality, what a concept
GAK67 Report This Comment Date: February 10, 2011 08:28AM
@jgoins
> I never smoked where it would interfere with others
It's good that you do that, but not everybody shares your concern for others, so
therefore there needs to be some sort of external control, just like if there
weren't police patrolling the roads most people would still drive at sensible
speeds, but some wouldn't.
> I live in a country where there is no government healthcare yet so if I am
injured by not wearing a seatbelt then it is on my dime. The same goes for fast
food if I over indulge then it is on my dime (but I never do).
Which is why I made my comments relevant to my situation. If the healthcare here
wasn't government funded I would not personally care much about those who drove
without seatbelts, rode without helmets or smoked like a train.
> There are many items which can be used as weapons and can kill. Maybe we
should ban steak knives or forks.
I do not support banning guns, but I do support effective control, and if there
was a high incidence of steak knives or forks actually being used (as opposed to
the potential, which is surely the point of the original post) in murders or
other crimes then some sort of control would need to be considered.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2011 04:52PM by GAK67.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: February 10, 2011 01:16PM
Where the government is concerned there is no such thing as good gun control.
They will go too far just like some places went too far in smoker control by
making it illegal to smoke even on your own property on your own front porch.
Maybe the best gun control would be for everyone to openly wear sidearms. Then
the police will see who is carrying and everyone else will see who is armed and
they will not rob them. With a little research eveyone would find out that the
old west was not like the movies depict it, there was not so much crime and
killings as is perceived by people now. Most people just don't understand guns
so they just follow the politically correct viewpoint that so many others follow
and want to do away with them.
Fossil if we get more Mexicans to come in then Mexico will be able to get back
the lands they lost years ago without firing a shot. Just check inot how Texas
is teaching about the Alamo now as opposed to the way they were teaching it a
couple of years ago.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: February 10, 2011 01:21PM
funny how people that whine about such things needing to be "taken care
of" are the same ones who claim the government is too involved in their
lives.
they only want the things they don't like to be handled and the ones they like
need to be left alone. (not directed at anyone in particular)
woberto Report This Comment Date: February 10, 2011 07:47PM
The gun is the cowards weapon of choice.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: February 10, 2011 09:25PM
so little old ladies that are packin' are cowards?
how about cops?
maybe the military?
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: February 10, 2011 09:27PM
i know who...those living in cracktown neighborhoods outgunned by street gangs?
yeah they're the ones
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: February 10, 2011 11:27PM
Hey 'berto, if you mean those who use 'em to commit robbery, rape, murder,
etc., then I'm in agreement. But, if you're alluding to guns for defensive
purposes as cowardly, well, we'll just hafta disagree
woberto Report This Comment Date: February 11, 2011 02:49AM
Fossil it's just too easy to get you goin'
The thought of Kim, Fd, Quasi & other Plus613 regulars with guns does not
bother me because I do believe in responsible gun users and thier rights.
However easy access to guns enables the gutless wonders of the world to commit
horrible crimes and massacres that we all fear.
I prefer gun control as a policy.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: February 11, 2011 03:51AM
there's only 1 person who has achieved "goin" status for me
here....can you guess who?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/02/2011 03:52AM by fossil_digger.
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: February 11, 2011 04:35AM
bt
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: February 11, 2011 05:16AM
nope, he's a joke
woberto Report This Comment Date: February 11, 2011 08:35AM
Mex?
quasi Report This Comment Date: February 11, 2011 11:42AM
I've only had one instance where I wish I'd had a gun at the ready and didn't -
because I still had kids in the house my guns were locked away unloaded. One
evening there was a guy beating the shit out of another guy who was already down
on the street corner right outside my house. I didn't approach because of the
possibilty the aggressor might have been armed himself and it took awhile to get
him to stop by folks yelling at him & telling him the cops were on the way.
It took 10 minutes or more for the cops to get there and by then it was all
over; when seconds count the cops are minutes away. I don't think it would have
been necessary to shoot the guy but if I'd drawn a bead on him and got close I
think I could have convinced him to have stopped the beating much sooner or
dropped him if he whipped out a piece of his own.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: February 11, 2011 12:48PM
I have never regretted using my weapon in the past but what I did regret was
having to use it. I only regretted people and countries who can't get along and
force others to defend themselves. (I never speak to my military actions so
just don't ask.) Unfortunately that is the world we live in and we have to
accept it. Even in our daily lives we live in a world where others think it is
easier to take things instead of working for them so honest people have a need
to protect themselves. We would have less of a need for protection if everyone
had a cop living next door but that just can't happen. The sad fact is that
even in a small town like I live in when the cops are called it still take 5 to
10 minutes for them to arrive and a lot can happen in that amount of time. I
have worked as a police officer before and I know it is a rarity for a policeman
to catch a crime in progress. More often their job is to take a report after
the crime has been committed. It is up to us to protect ourselves against man's
inhumanity to man. At least until all mankind has respect for all others and
that is not likely in our lifetime.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: February 11, 2011 01:28PM
The real Catch 22 about gun control is that limiting law abiding citizens
rights to keep and bear arms for whatever purpose they choose doesn't have the
same effect on the criminal elements in society.
Chicago and New York City have some of the most stringent gun control statutes
in the whole of the US but ... they also have some of the highest overall crime
rates and high murder rates as well, with a large percentage of these crimes
having been committed with firearms. This does not speak to the idea that gun
control overall is effective in preventing violent crime.
If a new country were to come into existence today with a zero tolerance policy
regarding the importation and ownership of firearms, my guess is that even then
guns would flow into this country and eventually, once again only law abiding
citizens would be disarmed. This of course translates to the law abiders
becoming more akin to prey. And, the citizens would also then be totally
powerless compared to their own govts. agents.
Lastly, the US gun ownership rights were intended to allow us to remain free
from armed oppression by our own govt. and those of any foreign govt. that might
in future choose to invade us (and EXACTLY why the Japanese chose not to do so
in WWII!), not just for individual protection. Our founders reasoned, just as
many freedom lovers here today still agree, that a disarmed citizenry could
easily be converted to an oppressed group of subjects if we were not allowed the
right to keep and bear arms
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: February 11, 2011 02:45PM
avengerx rules!
that being said...the plain and simple fact is in the US, if you're not armed,
the chance of becoming a statistic is greatly increased. and no amount of gun
control will stop/slow down/ or otherwise impact this fact.
"that's all i have to say about that". (F.G.)
GAK67 Report This Comment Date: February 11, 2011 06:46PM
Speaking from experience from living in a country that has tight gun control,
yes the hardened criminals have illegal guns, but as the general populace is
(generally) unarmed the petty or opportunist criminal is also unarmed. Our
police force is also generally unarmed (they do not carry sidearms, but usually
have handguns and shot guns secured in a lock box in their squad cars, and in
each major centre has a special squad to be called out when there is an armed
offender - sort of like a SWAT team) and so the criminals do not feel the need
to be heavily armed. I'm not saying gun crime does not happen or that there have
not been times police officers should have been armed, but I believe the system
generally works, just as, I am sure, there are situations in the USA where armed
citizens are still not able to defend themselves.
I am also not saying that what works here would work elsewhere. Mrkim gave the
example of Chicago and NYC having tight gun control laws that are ineffective.
I'd suggest that is because there is no effective border between the area with
the stricter laws and those areas without. There are some advantages to living
in an island nation. I like our system the way it is and wouldn't like to see
the gun laws relaxed, but I do not think it would be possible to achieve the
same situation in other countries, especially the USA given the feelings of it's
citizens.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: February 11, 2011 08:51PM
being equipped to be a pussy does'nt mean you are one.. (loose post reference).
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: February 11, 2011 10:18PM
An interesting perspective GAK, and as the reasonable person you seem to reveal
yourself as, one I can certainly appreciate as a valid differing view.
It's been said we Americans are barbaric and filled with bloodlust. While
there's some amount of truth to that generalization, just as in all
generalizations, such a truth only applies to some, not all.
One sad, but just as surely real, part of our society is that it can be violent.
Though I don't carry a weapon, I can say there are scenarios I've encountered
when I experienced genuine fear for my life, when one might have come in handy
had things turned out differently. Luckily, good radar for such things, social
skills and a method to make a hasty retreat at the time served me well, as did a
bit of luck no doubt.
In a perfect world where everyone respects one another, I might feel differently
about guns, but quite simply, that world doesn't exist here.
A truth I realized about myself many years ago is as follows : I'm a gentle soul
tryin to make my way through a reality that is much harsher than I am
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quasi Report This Comment Date: February 12, 2011 12:15AM
"A truth I realized about myself many years ago is as follows : I'm a
gentle soul tryin to make my way through a reality that is much harsher than I
am"
Amen to that, buddy, if you'll pardon the religious inference - not really meant
as such.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: February 12, 2011 02:35AM
No probs quasi .... thought you might find agreement with thatn
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/02/2011 02:35AM by Mrkim.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: February 12, 2011 03:27AM
i'm a gentle soul that will snap you like a toothpick if needed.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: February 12, 2011 12:34PM
"In a perfect world where everyone respects one another, I might feel
differently about guns, but quite simply, that world doesn't exist here.
"
That perfect world will never exist but if it did then I too would agree about
guns, but not when wondering through the rugged forests which is still a large
part of our country.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: February 13, 2011 11:37AM
Well the government did try to raise the price of cigarettes to make people
stop smoking but it didn't work, I like many many others are just letting other
things slide so we can keep smoking. Raise the price of ammunition then there
will be a black market for ammunition. I know people who are reloading
ammunition simply because they think ammunition prices will soar or be limited
in access. Even if all guns and ammunition were to magically disappear around
the world then something else will be used to kill people. Knives, bow and
arrows, swords, axes, rope, piano wire or even hands, there will always be
people killing other people only the method will change. I would rather keep
the guns where at least we have ballistics to determine who did the killing. A
stabbing or strangulation is much harder to determine who did the kidding.
People will always kill other people.
woberto Report This Comment Date: February 13, 2011 12:18PM
jgoins Report This Comment Date: February 14, 2011 11:38AM
It does not matter what guns were invented for, it is people who use them for
killing. If people use them to kill other people then it should be alright for
other people to use them for protection. Gun bans only prevent people from
using them for protection. It does not prevent people from using them for
murder and other crimes.
GAK67 Report This Comment Date: February 14, 2011 04:59PM
Jgoins - do you not read other peoples posts? We have tight gun controls here
and it does stop some gun related crime. Yes we still have gun deaths and armed
bank robberies, but they are uncommon. Home invasions involving guns are
extremely rare as are muggings at gun point. As I previously stated though,
being an island country means we have effective border controls to stop illegal
guns coming into the country, and it's part of our national psyche.
My point is, your comment: "Gun bans only prevent people from using them
for protection. It does not prevent people from using them for murder and other
crimes." is too categorical. It does not
completely prevent them from being used in
crime, but it does significantly reduce their use for such purposes, if you can
effectively control them.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: February 15, 2011 02:02PM
But is significantly reducing them good enough for the families affected by the
crime that are still committed. While it may be true that an island nation like
Australia can enact those laws and through border control make them work to a
degree but that will not happen everywhere else. With what seems like open
border here in America gun control laws only effect law abiding citizens and
have no effect on criminals. Maybe we should just try arming everyone and see
how that works. If you were intent on robbing someone at gun point and you saw
everyone wearing a gun on their belt would you attempt to rob one of them or
would you find someone not wearing a gun to rob? If you were plannig a bank
robbery would you choose a bink where all the customers were armed or would you
try to rob it after hours when no one is there? This will not stop all crimes
but I think it would reduce it dramatically. Crime has been reduced in states
where concealed carry is allowed so I think maybe it would reduce even further
with open carry allowances.
GAK67 Report This Comment Date: February 15, 2011 05:03PM
The same sort of question could be put the other way: is the deterrent effect
good enough for the families affected by those crimes that are more easily
effected by easy access to guns (such as rampage shootings - "going
postal"
? My own opinion is that arming everybody openly
is as unlikely to happen as a complete ban on guns. If you read my previous
posts properly you will see that I do not believe that what happens here would
work elsewhere, particularly the USA. What I am objecting to is your (and
others') comments that sound like universal truths when there is evidence to the
contrary.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: February 15, 2011 06:10PM
An equipment dealer I know lives in Kennesaw, Ga., outside Atlanta,Ga., where
it's mandatory for all heads of households to own a weapon and ammo.
Here [
www.reuters.com]
and here [
www.freerepublic.com] are 2 articles with stats before/after
passing the law.
Several years ago a woman had been kidnapped in Florida and an alert was runnin
on radio/tv about the perp w/his pic and vehicular description. The kidnapper
stopped in Kennesaw for gas where 2 other customers recognized him as he was
goin into the store to pay and confronted him when he came out. He pulled a
pistol but was a little slow as one or both men shot and killed him. The woman
was then found, still alive, in the trunk of his car.
While this is the kind of story gun rights proponents prefer to point to
regarding armed citizens, this got NO national press.
Conversely, every wacko with a pistola who even waves it in the air gets days on
end worth of press as the anti-gun lobby mounts their high horse and rides such
a story for all it's worth.
Go figure
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 15/02/2011 06:14PM by Mrkim.
quasi Report This Comment Date: February 15, 2011 08:01PM
Not really crazy about mandatory anything but this does make a good point.
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: February 15, 2011 09:31PM
skip ahead to 5:20...
sanford and son
jgoins Report This Comment Date: February 16, 2011 11:05AM
I'm not really saying mandatory open carry because in my mind that is the polar
opposite of gun bans and I am not in favor of the government dictating to us in
any way. Just an open carry law that allows any felony free adult to openly
carry a firearm in public. As an ex-police officer I think approaching a person
with a weapons openly displayed is much easier than approaching someone you
can't tell is armed. Also when the police stop someone on the street and they
can see the weapon it will give them a legitimate reason to run a check on that
person for wants and warrants.
That Sanford and Son thing does not really happen very often except by people
who know nothing about guns. The majority of gun owners are wise enough to know
how to make a gun safe and never go around pointing it at anything they do not
intend to kill. Most times the accidental discharge is just an excuse people
use to cover up their ineptitude or their true intentions.
