fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: January 06, 2011 02:20AM
.........have free will?
(title was too long
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fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: January 06, 2011 04:08AM
Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to.
If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he
is wicked. If God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there
evil in the world?
jgoins Report This Comment Date: January 06, 2011 12:34PM
"why is there evil in the world?"
Free Will. All evil is man made therefore evil is free will, there is no devil.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: January 06, 2011 01:32PM
conclusion: if there is no devil, there is no god.
The Bible says that Hell is a place of eternal darkness, if there were flames,
there would be light.
Here the argument is flawed cause you are picking your metaphors at your own
disgression. What if eternal darkness is a figure of speech for the lack of
hope. That is easily viable. Even if the fire is literal, and hell is lit up
like a disco, it can still like hope. (The reverse can be true.)
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: January 06, 2011 01:39PM
all the links i post on this site are presented not as facts, but as "so
you thought you knew everything". you are obviously free to take as much as
you want as fact, as there is no way to prove or disprove either (blind faith
being the hardest to sell).
blinkermann Report This Comment Date: January 06, 2011 02:29PM
Actually Fossil, nothing is easier to sell than blind faith -- as long as it is
packaged right.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: January 06, 2011 02:56PM
intimidation through eternal damnation works only on the easily impressionable
and easily controlled.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: January 06, 2011 03:55PM
Ah yes, but ... if all evil is man made, and given that man, or at least 90% or
so of humanity ascribes to the concept of "god" as the accepted
creator of man, then such a god would also be the same creator of these evil
humans. This can be further extrapolated to mean that god is also the creator
of evil. It seems much more than curious that an all knowing, all loving and all
powerful god would also be the creator of the same evils that would then dog his
creation in the most heinous of ways throughout all of known humanity. Or, such
a god has a truly wicked sense of humor and just enjoys the ensuing show that
unfolds as his creations go about the odd actions of procreating and killing one
another.
Once one discards the concept of faith that a god exists, the rest of the
construct of existence of a god like entity and all the inherently fantastical
stories and revelations in theological texts dissolve pretty simply through the
application of pure logic and reason.
To prove the above point requires nothing more than limiting ones intellectual
inspection of the concept of god to what is logical, and hence provable or
improvable through the defining eye of the application of logic alone, absent of
the application of faith as validation of it.
Without using the argument of faith as a basis for belief in the possibility of
the following, how could one explain a talking snake, a talking bush, an
individuals ability to part a sea, or arise from the dead? Without the use of
faith as a mainstay in the possibility of such things or actions, the laws of
probability of such phenomenon or actions having occurred soon end up as
fanciful at best.
While books for children, and indeed fictional texts as well are commonly filled
with such stretches of the imagination, people in general place no significance
on their validity or logical plausibility. Curiously however, the bulk of
humanity does exactly that with religious texts filled with similar flights of
fancy, and when asked why, simply reply .... "You would have to have faith
to understand".
Once reason and logic are bypassed in favor of faith, all manner of illogical or
improbable things can be accepted as possible. By contrast, if faith in such
possibilities is left out of the equation and logical possibilities and
probabilities are used as parameters of what can or could happen, the constucts
of all religion/theology then fall into the realm of the implausible.
If someone were capable of explaining the existence of a god without utilizing
faith in the improbable or unprovable as the basis for acceptance of such a
belief, that would then be a formidable conversation to hold
jgoins Report This Comment Date: January 07, 2011 12:30PM
You are attempting to place human characteristics on God in order to show he
doesn't exist. God created man and gave him free will, it is how man uses that
free will that defines good and evil for our lives. A true omnipotent being
would not be governed by the same ideals as humans and humans cannot understand
that entity so we put him in terms we can understand in our own minds. The
Bible is merely a book of guidelines for following God's law and I don't believe
it was created to be followed literally.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: January 07, 2011 01:57PM
how can you take anything literally or otherwise as gospel or anything else
when you don't know who wrote it?
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment Date: January 08, 2011 12:10AM
Look's like somebody is going to hell;(
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: January 08, 2011 12:12AM
i had so much fun, they kicked me out.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: January 08, 2011 05:00AM
it's funny that one of the greatest works of art in history is taking such shit
marks....it must be me. i'm so proud.
woberto Report This Comment Date: January 08, 2011 05:00AM
Some of my fave's
I Corinthians 14:34-35: "women should remain silent in the churches. They
are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they
want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for
it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."
Deuteronomy 22:28-29:"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged
to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's
father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her.
He can never divorce her as long as he lives."
Proverbs 23:13:"Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him
with the rod, he will not die."
Deuteronomy 21:18-21:"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does
not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline
him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at
the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is
stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a
drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must
purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be
afraid."
Deuteronomy 15:16-17:"But if your servant says to you, "I do not want
to leave you," because he loves you and your family and is well off with
you, then take an awl and push it through his ear lobe into the door, and he
will become your servant for life. Do the same for your maidservant."
Matthew 10:34-36:"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the
earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man
against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her
motherinlaw "?? man's enemies will be the members of his own
household."
Ezekiel 23:20-21:"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were
like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. So you longed
for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your
young breasts fondled."
jgoins Report This Comment Date: January 08, 2011 10:31AM
Ah yes the Old Testament, pure fire and brimstone.
