fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 16, 2008 04:50AM
lil abner
woberto Report This Comment Date: October 16, 2008 05:47AM
This is Tin Tin.
The best comics are NOT "american" fossil.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: October 16, 2008 11:28AM
Since comics seem to be most relevent to folks within the country they are
written from as they often touch on issues or ideas within that particular
culture or geographic location, most likely the "best" comics for most
folks will originate from the country they live in.
Nice chicken-shit, I-hate-America-and-anywhere-else-is-superior attitudinal
snipe though 'berto .... thanks for playin
BTW, I'd put some good Zippy The Pinhead, Furry Freak Brothers, Garfield,
Doonsbury and several others up against anything else I've ever seen from
anywhere. I do hafta say that some of the ones Z has put up are quite good
though ... when they translate into english and make sense
woberto Report This Comment Date: October 16, 2008 12:51PM
I was after fossil, not you Kim!
I think we are still confused about the term "American".
I seem to rememeber Joe Shuster was Canadian, and they were some pretty damn
good comics I suppose.
Seeker Report This Comment Date: October 16, 2008 12:51PM
I'm surprised. I had no idea that there is a grown up person on earth not
knowing Tintin.
Tintin is a political comic among other things addressing social issues, racial
problems and wars.
Fossil, start reading Tintin and get just a little educated. You definitely need
it.
blinkermann Report This Comment Date: October 16, 2008 01:54PM
Silly Seeker. He does have to *read* TinTin. He can watch [
www.tintinologist.org]
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 16, 2008 04:33PM
comics are for children. i haven't read one in 40 years, except of course a few
posted here.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: October 16, 2008 04:44PM
Pretty much anytime someone starts talkin any kinda trash about America it
comes off as pissin in my Post Toatsies.
Good thing I don't eat Post Toasties, so I put the bowl out on the curb for the
lil neighbor kids and laugh ... oh wait, my nearest neighbor is a 1/4 mile away
and they don't have any kids, nor do I have a curb, DuH ... all that wasted
imagery and verbage .... Hi Ho
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 16, 2008 04:51PM
lmfao! seeker, your education comes from the comic strips? it all makes sense
now!
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fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 16, 2008 05:30PM
i just found a comic strip named seeker:
SEEKER
GAK67 Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2008 12:04AM
I'll play!
fossil - you can get an education from anywhere, including from comic strips.
Doesn't mean you get your full education from there. When I say you can get an
education anywhere, I mean anywhere but America, of course!
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2008 12:18AM
if you consider comics as a source of education, then i can't help you.
GAK67 Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2008 01:34AM
I consider life a source of education, and comics, as with all artistic
outputs, give us an insight into someone elses take on life - how is that not
educational?
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2008 03:08AM
GAK ..... Grrrrr, woof, woof. I was schooled by wolves, nice furry ones with
some really sharp toofies. I rest my case
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2008 05:23AM
o.k. gak i'll give you that ( "give us an insight into someone elses take
on life" ) and i did exaggerate a bit on the 40 years. the only comic i
consider worth a damn is the far side. but i have read them all and haven't
learned a thing from them, surprised?
on a side track:
as far as political toons.....nothing more than republicans and democrats
making fun of each other in an attempt to reach a younger crowd (easily
impressionable) thus swaying their clueless asses to vote for them. that's what
the young Americans are, totally clueless as to the real world, how things are
done and get done. the younger Americans are so out of touch, they think that
negotiating with Muslim extremists that want to kill everyone that doesn't
believe the archaic horse shit they believe is the right thing to do. what are
we going to negotiate? uh....if you don't kill us we will let you in on our
awesome economical prowess? or maybe, "hey man we really love everyone here
and you could be free to practice whatever dumbass religion you choose here as
long as you don't kill us?
i'm interested to hear what toons you feel are educational, 'cause i can't think
of any.
Seeker Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2008 09:12AM
Fossil, for instance try to read Tintin's "The Blue Lotus" and learn
something about how the Japanese treated the Chinese during the occupation of
China in the 1930's and why japan resigned from The League of Nations in
1933.
For a omniscient guru like you the comic doesn't contain any news, but I'm sure
a lot of adult persons could learn a lot. Don't tell me comics are for kids
only.
Actually you can learn a lot from kids too.
woberto Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2008 12:11PM
My wife has a bumper sticker on her car...
... I don't need kids, I married one!
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2008 01:36PM
Bah, to hell with educational toons ..... gimme Aquateens and Sealab baby
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fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2008 03:58PM
cartoon history is not educational, but merely someone elses take on history.
as for me, i do not need a history lesson, it's my favorite hobby. but hey if
people think a toon is a source of historical significance, then i
say............lmfao! if you would like a real history lesson, you are welcome
to ask for some links.
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fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2008 04:32PM
i can see this is going no place, so i will not confuse your "historical
knowledge" with factual sources. i will let you find your own path, for
only you can change or make up your own mind.
thanks for playing sir, your consolation prizes are at the exit door.
GAK67 Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2008 08:08AM
To say comics are not educational is to say van gogh's paintings are
uneducational, or mark twain's novels, or mozart's symphanies, or byron's poems,
or ansel adams' photos. It may not be their main reason for being, but we can
learn from them.
As for my comment about education in America - thought I had better clarify what
I meant - and my comments are based on conversations with people who have been
through the US education system. It seems the US education system is good at
teaching kids the basics of reading, writing and arithmetic, but once they know
that, the use they put it to is so insular and nationalistic the general
population of the US has little or no knowledge of the world beyond their
borders, and that is often the border of their state. I know people can
generalise from one story, but I recently (this year) heard of a young guy (I
think he is 19) in California who went to Oregon (which for those who don't know
is just the next state north of California) and he had to ask if he was still in
the USA!
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2008 08:15AM
Must be talking about fagmex
woberto Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2008 09:00AM
The USA offers some of the worlds best academic institutions and it's
college/university system is equal to that of Australia, New Zealand and the UK,
making it worlds best. All the "Americans" I have met professionally
are perfectly normal, well educated, well read and morally sound individuals.
Same goes for the regular users on here (I hate to admit) except for madmex and
spazzi. The stereotype USA person is unfortunately also true, because education
is a user pays system over there. Comics like Tin Tin were a portal to the rest
of the world for my fathers and grandfathers generations, comics from the USA
are just cartoons. Nothing is in the same class as Tin Tin. This cannot be
evaluated at this point in time, it can only be judged in it's own time. Blah
blah, you get the point?
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2008 02:59PM
Education, and what anyone gets out of it, is a function and by-product of the
individuals capacity and secondly their willingness to learn, no matter where
they are from. Many places have excellent educational systems, but without a
desire and want to learn, it becomes irrelevent in what will actually be
learned, much less retained by anyone, in any culture/country, period.
I've known plenty of people who were certainly intelligent, but because they
chose not to apply themselves in the time they were in school, missed out on the
opportunity to learn many things that were available to them during their years
in the public school systems here in the US, which I view as sad. Basically they
squandered the only free education they ever had the opportunity to.
Conversely, I've also known people from families capable of investing in private
school educations and then further on into the collegiate level who were
absolute idiots, some because they didn't apply themselves, with others that
even with such a massive investment by their parents in their education, just
never seemed to "get it".
Having received nothing more than the same public school education avaialble to
everyone else here in the US, then a smattering of community college many years
further along for work related educational purposes, I feel that my own thirst
for knowledge had more to do with what I learned, than where I learned it from,
which I feel is universally true.
Idiocy knows no geographic boundaries, nor is it specific to any culture or
race, but relates more to the individuals propensity to learn and their
individual will to do so. And ... if holding a nationalist attitude about ones
homeland seems inappropriate or foolish to anyone, my thoughts are that you must
not really take much pride in your own homeland, otherwise such ideas would be
easily understood and admired in others, instead of being viewed negatively
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2008 03:28PM
so gak or seeker or whoever you are today, did you not enjoy your parting
gifts? tell you what, you can trade them for the box Jay is bringing down the
stairs.
GAK67 Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2008 06:16PM
fossil, you seem keen to shut this thread down just when it's getting
interesting and when people have posted well thought out and logical comments.
Also, I can assure you I only have the one logon here and would not hide behind
another identity.
berto and Mrkim,I agree with your comments completely, and in my defence wish to
point out that I did talk about the general population, not America as a whole.
I know that American tertiary institutions are world class, and so is their
primary curriculum. I would also like to point out that I did not call
Americans unintelligent or even uneducated (except for my first comment which
was fishing for a bite), simply that the general population was ignorant of the
world outside of their own borders.
I also want to say that I am not anti-American. If it wasn't for the US of A
fighting in the South Pacific during WWII I might be speaking Japanese about
now. There are plenty of good things to come out of the US. I have not been to
the USA (except for a few days in Hawaii) but have met lots of Americans in my
travels. I have met the stereotypical loud, obnoxious ones, but I have also met
some very pleasant, well spoken Americans too. The USA is such a large and
diverse country that you will be able to find somebody to fit any personal
profile you can think of. It's also so large that you need to make some
generalisations to understand it, you just have to make sure you do not assume
an individual is the same as the generalisation.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2008 06:29PM
i don't want to shut it down, on the contrary, i want you to see the futility
of arguing with someone on the net.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2008 07:33PM
To be completely honest GAK, large chunks of the globe owe much of their
existance, much less their industrial or financial sucesses to the US and its
ever expanding global interests.
In recent years, much of this expansion has come at a severe cost to the
American middle class itself as more and more jobs have moved outside the US
itself in cost cutting corporate operations often leaving the workers to seek
lower wages, often in industries outside their areas of expertise, as they
struggle to keep their familial ships afloat in light of disappearing/dwindling
job markets.
At the same time, government on both the state and federal levels continue to
expand, ever increasing the costs relevant to their survival with again
"Joe the plumber" asked constantly to dig deeper into their pockets to
help fund the ever growing tax burdens such expansion requires. Politicians are
always quick to point to the federal income tax levels and cuts or increases as
a major indicator of that tax burden, but will never discuss the myriad of NEW
taxes or the incredibly Orwellian
NEW SPEAK
version of taxation they now call
SERVICE
CHARGES added every year for things that previously were tax free.
I happen to have a really good example of this sitting in front of me in the
form of this months company cell phone service.
Monthly total for all services for our 2 phones: $82.99
Monthly total with taxes and service charges _ : $112.21
This puts the tax burden on a simple cell phone service at just a touch over 30%
Ok, so off that soap box and back on topic a bit
I lovingly call the area I live in "the land of the toothless sister
lovers", and for good reason. We're an hour east of Big D (Dallas) in a lil
burg of 1500 people or so and I can absolutely attest to a serious lacking of
intellectual conversations to be had 'round these parts! If you're not well
versed on the latest Tv phenom, yammerings about the weather, local football or
town gossip you're not subject to find much to talk about with most of the folks
here.
The overall dumbing down of America has lots of roots, with the simplest truth
in it all being that people of lower IQs reproduce at higher rates than do
others. Even this area of discussion is multi-faceted and has a long list of
roots and eventual implications, so much so that a book could easliy be penned
on the topic, but let me suffice to say .... you're much more likely to find
households of 5+ in Billy Bob and Betty Sues neighborhood than you are where Bif
and Buffy call home.
Man there's so much more I could write on this topic, it's incredible, but
...it's the weekend, I have lotsa "stuff to do" and figure I might as
well let someone else chime in some other thoughts anyway, so
