jgoins Report This Comment Date: July 15, 2007 11:01AM
Your link doesn't work, much like atheism.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: July 15, 2007 04:05PM
The link worked fine when I watched it late last night and BTW, thanks for
posting it! I found it quite interesting, all 41 minutes of it.
BTW jgoins, it's all in perspective in ones thoughts about aethiesm. Works for
me just fine.
Unfortunately few "believers" I have run across are free enough
thinkers to even accept the simple thought that their ideas aren't the only ones
out there with any validity about the concepts of religon.
Religeous zealots are in general the most closed minded sector of any society
and have NO tolerance (as most all of their religeous teaching typically call
for) of others ideas.
It's funny how most interactions I've had with believers play out once I tell
them I'm an aethiest. They typically start out all sweetness and light as if
I'm some poor uninformed creature who just needs the right guidance (which they
can naturally provide if I'll just listen) and how they'd LOVE to invite me to
their church and help me find their god and all the wonders belief in their god
will grant me in my life.
Then when they realize I'm not some fucking unthinking sheep and actually hold
my beliefs for reasons they can't overcome with their believers psychobabble
they often get downright shitty and will tell me I'm stupid, unrealistic and
condemned to everlasting hell for my lack of acceptance of THEIR beliefs. Yeah
.... like that's a great way to win someone over
In my perspective people of faith are just another form of sheep awaiting the
commands of whatever leader they aspire to believe in and are all too willing to
just lay down their own powers of reasoning for the much simpler concept that if
they do so and live each day in service to their god everything will be ok.
To me, the idea of total faith in something that can not in any way be proven is
the most rediculous concept I can envision, most especially when it means I
should give up my own powers of observation and logical processes and simply
ACCEPT all this on simple faith instead .... sheesh !!!!!
I heard long ago that religous philosophies were laid out as great teachings of
simple good sense for those too simple minded to get the message their teachings
lay out for them otherwise. I mean really, is it so hard to look at the 10
commandments and not see they are simply logical right thinking ideas in the 1st
place and that in following them will certainly make your life easier and more
rewarding and all the rest of the world a better place at the same time ?
Religon has started more wars, caused more human suffering from persecution by
people of differing faiths, led to the deaths of millions if not billions of
people and all from beliefs that are accepted on total Faith! Sorry, but I'll
have no part of that shit, nor any of that blood on MY hands thank you.
I'll take my chances that my truths are what matter most and they all lie in the
realm of absolute fact, not in faith in some unproveable god or philosophy thank
you.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: July 15, 2007 04:12PM
BTW, the link is still workin, I'm on it now. I wish all believers had the
acceptance of others ideas and the mental capabilities to at least realistically
explore the possibilities their ideas aren't the only truths out there which
this video does a good job of.
quasi Report This Comment Date: July 15, 2007 08:45PM
I am a Christian but there is plenty of room in this world for open minded
people who aren't trying to force one religion/agenda or another down other
peoples' throats. The so-called religious right in the US is, as the saying
goes, neither religious or right, and is not far from the same sort of zealotry
that has given the world a brand of "muslims" that are willing to go
out and blow up as many people as they can in the name of religion. My own take
on Christianity is based on a song I learned in Sunday School as a very small
boy:
Jesus loves the little children,
All the children of the world,
Red and yellow, black and white,
They are precious in his sight,
Jesus loves the little children of the world.
I would truly love for everyone lay down their guns and quit fighting, I don't
like fighting, it's not just contrary to what I believe as stated in the little
song above, it's contrary to my nature, but in the real world there are so many
who want to take advantage of their fellow man and/or fight that it ends up
being necessary to fight back. I like the philosophy of "I'm OK, you're
OK" but when someone fucks with me or my country, I will fight.
MrKim, I'm OK, you're OK, wish everyone else could be.
ToucanSam Report This Comment Date: July 15, 2007 10:17PM
The link worked for me. jgoins is silly, silly I tell ya.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: July 15, 2007 10:34PM
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Change your name to FAKE!
jgoins Report This Comment Date: July 16, 2007 10:31AM
Well, I am a christian but do not believe in organized religion of any kind. I
do not go to any church and do not try to force my religious beliefs on anyone.
If you want to be an athiest that is well within your rights, just don't try to
convert me with it. Churches have destroyed religion with their own
interpretations of religion so I stay away from them and hold to my own
interpretations. I will not be converted, this is why I am so against Islam and
catholicism for that matter.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: July 16, 2007 11:07AM
Unlike most people of faith, I don't want to convert anyone to my religon.
Here's where a lot of believers get really lost in the concept of aethiesm as a
belief structure since they 1st of all feel as if we believe in some anti-christ
theology since we don't believe in god. What they don't get is that we don't
believe in ANY god, period. No "salvation", no "here
after", nothing, nada, zippo ! You live, make the best of your time here
and then you're gone.
Now then, although I don't wanna convert any believers to my way of thinking, I
do simply ask that they explore their own concepts of faith from a real world
perspective and try using a logical brain methodology to inspect their own
beliefs instead of simply accepting such a life impacting choice simply because
their parents, friends and associates do so.
Try comparing the real world scientific info on what is known about man and the
animals that once roamed this planet, which are absolutely verifiable, against
whatever theological concept you personally hold and see if there's a way to
reconcile the 2.
If you can reconcile the differences between scientific knowledge and
theological explanations of mans supposed history without simply using the old
"'cause the bible tells me so" cop out to explain how you accept the
theological view of Mans history here, I'd really like to hear about it.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: July 17, 2007 12:42PM
Well I reconcil those scientific facts with the bible by the statement that God
created the universe in 6 days. Nobody knows how long God's days are. In the
span of the universe and all space just how would one measure time? One miunte
for someone who encompasses everything could be millions of years of earth time.
So between the time he created the earth and the time he created man millions
of years could have passed and all kinds of evolution could have occured on
earth before it was ready for man. I also believe since he created everything
and all the countless galaxies, that he was smart enough to create life on many
other worlds and not just earth. Someday we may find out.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: July 17, 2007 02:10PM
And where in the chain of creation did he create man relative to the creation
of the animals ?? BTW, it was hundreds of millions of years between when the
1st animals arrived and then mans arrival on the planet.
In a segment of the Google video posted here about an aethiest living with a
Christian family for a month they showed a Christian tour guide giving a BC
(biblicly correct
) tour of a museum of natural
history. When asked about the differing views of Christians versus sciences
perspective of the time line of the dinosaurs relative to mans appearance his
response was simply that the data was incorrect and that man had indeed been
present during the time of the dinosaurs eventhough there have been NO skeletal
remains of man found that can correlate this assertion.
Hey FD, got any data to add here ??
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: July 17, 2007 05:45PM
you can "prove" one suspicion while disproving it another way. the
geologic time line, as we presently know it, changes every 3-5 years, and
dramatically every 50.
when it comes to who came first us or dinos... i have to go with dinos first.
why? suspicion
jgoins Report This Comment Date: July 18, 2007 11:24AM
Given my suposition that one minute of God's time being millions of years of
our time absolutely anthing could be possible.
One area I really differ from mainstream religion is they hold the belief that
we are alone in the universe. I believe that God is all powerful and all
knowing as they believe but I believe he would have been smart enough not to put
all his eggs in one basket. I believe he scattered all forms of life throughout
the universe and we are not alone.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: July 18, 2007 12:14PM
Ok jgoins, but that still leaves my question unanswered. According to
Christian teachings who came 1st, animals or man ?
No matter what at least we are in agreement on life elsewhere in the cosmos.
Though I'm unsure there's been any 100% verifable proof of alien life having
visited our planet I find the idea that the Earth is the only planet among
millions of star systems capable of sustaining life a very vain concept.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: July 18, 2007 06:45PM
It's funny how you get people today that won't believe what other people say,
but, they will believe men from thousands of years ago, guys that didn't even
know about dinasaurs and would have argued that, yes, if you keep traveling
you'll fall off the face of the earth, it's simple..................
Man wrote the Bible....... MAN! Not "God"!
YOUSOOOOOSTUPIDICANNOTBELIEVEIT.
The sun is the "Light of the World." Just as Jesus.
The sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him." Just as
Jesus.
The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind." Just as
Jesus.
The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo. Just as Jesus.
The sun "walks on water." Just as Jesus.
The sun can turn water (rain) into wine (grapes) Just as Jesus.
The sun's "followers," "helpers" or "disciples"
are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through
which the sun must pass. Just as Jesus.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High"; thus,
"he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. Just
as Jesus.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30°; (30x12=360 degrees) hence,
the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. Just as
Jesus.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its
passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it
is then resurrected. Just as Jesus.
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schwetty Report This Comment Date: July 19, 2007 03:52AM
they can both suck my dick
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: July 19, 2007 07:47AM
"they can both
suck my dick"
-
schwetty
Are you a
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jgoins Report This Comment Date: July 19, 2007 11:08AM
Mrkim Wrote:
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> Ok jgoins, but that still leaves my question
> unanswered. According to Christian teachings who
> came 1st, animals or man ?
As near as I can recall animals were created first, shortly before man. In our
time they could have been around for millions of years.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: July 19, 2007 11:46AM
schwetty Wrote:
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> they can both suck my dick
Careful there schwetty, stretching your intellectual powers to such great
lengths can be dangerous ! Best save those precious few brain cells you have
for important things like remembering to breathe and stuff
