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whatever Report This Comment
Date: May 29, 2013 05:56AM

effing says it all...
Ideocracy is reality nowadays!
quasi Report This Comment
Date: May 29, 2013 08:17AM

Not saying this is necessarily wrong but there is a difference between giving away stolen information and giving away information that people just hand over to you.
Mach Report This Comment
Date: May 30, 2013 02:23AM

Come on quas,giving away stolen information sounds kinda Robin Hoodish..... and the other side here is not giving away personal information, he's selling it, and that includes to, government agencies.

I understand what you're saying, stolen is stolen, but it's from underhanded governments that, are doing as much as they can behind the scenes to keep us from knowing what they are really doing to us and our future generations..... etc... etc... etc....
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: May 30, 2013 06:37AM

common sense would tell you to never put anything on the internet you don't want somebody to see. Why does it matter if Facebook sells the information they gather from users, I never put anything on my Facebook I care about keeping secret. For instance, if you grow pot never put pics of your grow on Facebook or anywhere on the internet. Nothing on the internet can be considered private nor should it ever be perceived that way.
Mach Report This Comment
Date: May 30, 2013 06:21PM

Do you really believe the only information they get from you is, what you give to them?

[usatoday30.usatoday.com]

EVERYTHING IS SELF

Make people happy by satisfying their internal urges (SELF) and they will become docile.

[www.youtube.com]
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: May 30, 2013 09:25PM

The internet does not function according to common sense.
blinkermann Report This Comment
Date: May 30, 2013 10:02PM

Wiki-leaks is like Robin Hood, an unethical anarchist sort of Robin Hood. Facebook is like a drug pusher, giving people stuff they want and getting them hooked, acting like a friend, but treating users with distain.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: May 30, 2013 10:26PM

Julian Assange isn't an anarchist. I wouldn't call him unethical either, his ethics are different.
pulse Report This Comment
Date: May 31, 2013 01:35AM

I've met him a couple of times. Douche springs to mind before anarchist
smiling
smiley

That said, the charges against him are obviously bullshit. Sweden has very weird laws. Effectively having unprotected sex without permission. Fine, it's morally and even legally wrong. But I can't imagine interpol or the high court getting involved if it were you or me....
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: May 31, 2013 07:03AM

I still don't see the problem. Is it that you don't want anyone to know what sites you visit on the internet? Is it that some of you might be visiting some sites illegal in nature? My internet activity is always as though there are feds looking over my shoulder all the time and I don't care if anyone knows I look at porn. I never have a hankering to look up how to make a bomb or look for child porn or any other activity which might be illegal. Maybe someone needs to explain what the problem is exactly in single syllables so I can see where the problem is.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: May 31, 2013 12:36PM

The problem is that information is being taken without your permission or knowledge. It doesn't matter that you think you've got nothing to hide, that is not the point.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: May 31, 2013 05:18PM

Concerning Julian, I don't consider hacking into private systems to be ethical conduct at all. What I meant was that he has his own set of "ethics". So does Zuckerberg. Considering Mark, he is doing the same thing with different methods, I don't consider his extracting information from private systems to be ethical conduct at all either. It is still really hacking. It's just not a proven illegal methodology. Yet.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 31/05/2013 05:21PM by BlahX3.
blinkermann Report This Comment
Date: May 31, 2013 07:34PM

I think Assanges describes himself as an anarchist. He is ceratinly against power structures. As for his ethics . . . Whether you consider his Robin Hoodism ethical or not, he has done some shady things. The diplomatic cables are a different game than the corporate stuff. Some people have died. A recent article on slate asserts that he gave information to the Belarussians and used Wikileaks as a pawn in his Swedish legal fight instead of separating them as other wikileakers wished.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 01, 2013 07:08AM

As I recall when I setup my facebook page they asked permission to gather information before I could setup my page. Most websites use cookies and they can be disabled if you don't want to view their websites. I used to go around removing cookies weekly from my computerm now I just don't worry much about them. There is such thing as privacy on the internet and if you think your privacy is so important then maybe you should stay off the internet.
quasi Report This Comment
Date: June 01, 2013 07:41AM

Assange is as much a power hungry ass as the governments and corporations he attacks, as self righteous about it as a televangelist on crack. Just another attention seeker.
pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 01, 2013 08:33AM

Hang on, I didn't realise stealing user's information and selling it was an option.

*Evil fingers* Excellent.
pro_junior Report This Comment
Date: June 01, 2013 01:17PM

and then I asked what did he want for my information, and he said, about tree-fiddy...
well it was about that time that I realized he was about 8 stories tall and was a crustacean from the protozoic era!
and I said, God Dammit Loch Ness Monster, I ain't gonna give you no tree fiddy.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: June 01, 2013 02:06PM

Write a program to generate tons of fake private information and sell that to the market researchers.
Mach Report This Comment
Date: June 01, 2013 03:45PM

"I've met him a couple of times. Douche springs to mind before anarchist"
- pulse

LMFAO......
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: June 01, 2013 04:21PM

From what I have read Assange seems to be more of a Marxist. I think Pulse may have a good point though.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: June 01, 2013 11:06PM

JG, I don't think the commenters are paranoid about the matter, but online privacy is a concern and obviously is becoming more important. If it was about the government stealing your cookies I'm sure you'd express more concern.
pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 02, 2013 01:00AM

I'm not on facebook, never had an account, so I'm not super worried about what they do with my personal information online. I'm not a conspiracy nut or anything - just value my privacy at about a medium level.

It shits me that there are pics on facebook with me in them, taken in public places, and that you don't need to give any permission for them. It's one thing to be a face in a crowd and end up on a site like this - you're relatively anonymous (though that said, you're probably doing or near somebody doing something stupid if you end up here).

It's another thing entirely on facebook because you can bet some asshole will tag you in it.

Anyway, I don't really agree with what either Assange or Captain whatshisname do. All I want is my three fiddy.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: June 02, 2013 01:17AM

Just hold out for a while then your tree-fiddy will be a dollar-four-ninety-five.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 02, 2013 07:16AM

Well I/m pretty sure the government already has it's own tracking software all over the internet already. It just doesn't worry me much because I know the internet is not private at all. I also have a lot of store rewards cards and that is basically the same thing zuckerman is doing isn't it?
pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 02, 2013 07:26AM

At least my store reward cards give me rewards.. they don't just take my data and sell it, I get gift cards or discounts in exchange for my data.

But yes, fundamentally the same.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: June 02, 2013 02:27PM

I fail to see how agreeing to participate in a rewards card deal is fundamentally the same thing as zuckerweenie selling your facebunk info without you knowing. Maybe that's not what you meant.

I have no doubt the gubmint is spying on people's internet usage too. That wasn't my point. Our privacy should not be infringed by anyone, government or corporate.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 03, 2013 06:40AM

Well I think it is just a trade off. I know running facebook is not cheap and if we want it free then we should expect them to make money in some way to pay for it. Even running this site is not cheap and were it not for donations I am sure it would not be free much longer. If people don't like what facebook does then they can always stop using it and they would soon disappear. There is nothing free in the world and it all has to be paid for in some way or another.
pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 03, 2013 09:17AM

Blah - I'd say most people know Facebook makes money from advertising, they provide a 'free' service. Part of advertising is targeting your demographic - thus, using your personal information to target ads at you to increase reward for the company and the advertisers.

Facebook and a store reward card are fundamentally the same because Facebook is selling your comments, views and pictures and your store reward card is selling your purchase history, habits and places you shop at. Both are selling a profile on you, doesn't really matter how it's gathered.

As I said though - at least the reward card gives me something for my data. Facebook just gets me raped by zuckerberg.

plus613 - raping the users since 2003 smiling
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/06/2013 09:18AM by pulse.
quasi Report This Comment
Date: June 03, 2013 09:41AM

My arse hurts.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: June 03, 2013 01:12PM

It is a trade off but you don't really know what information is being sold. FB has been busted for selling info it shouldn't before. Do you think that is an isolated occurrence? Sure there is no privacy on the internet but just because that is the case doesn't make it right. If people don't try to protect their rights by questioning the practices of corporations and government and insist on accountability and change they will just continue to be violated.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 04, 2013 07:11AM

It's really pretty simple, if you don't like FB's practices then just don't use FB. I imagine a lot of other sites do the exact same thing but they just aren't big enough to have anyone take notice. I suspect a lot of apps we use on our phones and tablets do the exact same thing and even more but we just don't seem to notice. I suspect we have already started down the slippery slope with laws and privacy years ago and are hurtling down the slope at break neck speed with no way to stop.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: June 04, 2013 11:19AM

That's what I'm saying JG, there is more of it going on than most folks are aware of and we have no way of knowing exactly what information about us has been shared or sold. I don't mean the things you know you've put into an account or online. We get profiled in many ways. Ignoring it will only allow it to worsen. People who like using FB and other online things aren't going to stop using them because of that, but I believe most are completely unaware of how much privacy they have given away or has been taken from them. As you indicate, it is already a big thing and getting bigger.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 05, 2013 06:50AM

And it's not going to get any smaller because people just don't care. It's just like the gun control issue, people just don't care about the rights of others if they don't have a dog in the race.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: June 05, 2013 09:36AM

Yeah, well lets not bother with putting up traffic signals since people are still going to get into motor vehicle accidents anyway. People voicing concern over something is what gets things done a lot of times. We can't eliminate problems entirely but doing nothing isn't very smart.
quasi Report This Comment
Date: June 06, 2013 04:58AM

[news.yahoo.com]
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 06, 2013 07:01AM

Well a lot of people voiced their concerns about the seatbelt law but it still got passed because more people just didn't care and nothing is going to happen with Facebook because people just don't care.
pulse Report This Comment
Date: June 07, 2013 05:07AM

Seatbelts make sense. I find it fucking ridiculous that people fight it
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 07, 2013 06:59AM

But not wearing seatbelts hurt no one else and should be no ones business if we choose not to wear them. Smoking in public places I sort of understand because others are impacted and many other laws because others are impacted in most laws but not seatbelt laws.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: June 07, 2013 12:05PM

Fighting a law that makes sense and is actually in your own best interest to follow is just fucking stupid. It doesn't matter if it doesn't directly affect anyone else (and in some cases I am sure it does affect others), the point of the seat belt law is to help save lives. Following that law does no harm to you, it does not infringe upon your freedom in any meaningful way. Protesting it is just being anti-government for the sake of being anti-government. Don't tell me what to do attitude with no thought. Some people in this world are actually too stupid to do what is good for them without being told that they have to.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: June 07, 2013 01:44PM

[www.washingtonpost.com]
pro_junior Report This Comment
Date: June 07, 2013 06:20PM

While unlikely it is possible for someone not wearing a seat belt to be ejected from a vehicle in the event of a collision and for their ejected body to hit and injure an innocent bystander...
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 08, 2013 07:00AM

Where is the sense in us having to wear seat belts and people on motorcycles not having to wear helmets then and children hot having to wear seat belts on school buses. It's fine to require children to wear seat belts but it should be left up to the adults as to whether or not they choose to wear them. The seat belt law is not about saving lives it is just another form of control over the people by the government. Does anyone really believe the government really wants to protect our lives. This is just another example of the people giving away their rights because they already use seat belts and they just don't care if it is forced on other people. This is also the way gun control will take our guns away from us because people who don't own them will have no pony in the race so they will not care if laws are passed to remove guns from everyone.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: June 08, 2013 11:13AM

Back closer to topic:

[www.bloomberg.com]
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 09, 2013 06:35AM

We all like to think we would stand up to the government but if it came down to it we would not choose to go to jail rather than giving the government the information they want. I doubt any of us would do any different than all those companies when faced with incarceration. The problem is not so much the companies giving in but the government demanding the information in the first place. Instead of getting mad at the companies we should be trying to change the government and their practices.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: June 09, 2013 11:33AM

You have a valid point. I have no problem with making an honest buck but you know damn well that corporations do not have our best interests in mind. The bottom line always wins out over people.

Here's another interesting read, an official gov't statement concerning the subject...

[content.govdelivery.com]

Of course each of us are going to believe what we will. I just thought it would be of interest here.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: June 10, 2013 07:03AM

No corporation cares about anyone unless they affect their bottom line and facebook is no different then any other. The bottom line is the only thing that matters to any business which is publicly traded. I say publicly traded because businesses with share holders seem to be more bottom line oriented than a mom and pop store. I have seen it even in Wal-Mart, they care more about their bottom line than they do about even their own employees.
BlahX3 Report This Comment
Date: June 10, 2013 04:11PM

Wal-mart huh? Who'd've thunkit. tongue
sticking out smiley