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If God is omnipotent and knows what we will do before he created us, how can we

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If God is omnipotent and knows what we will do before he created us, how can we

Comments for: If God is omnipotent and knows what we will do before he created us, how can we
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: January 05, 2011 09:20PM

.........have free will?

(title was too long sad smiley )
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: January 05, 2011 11:06PM

The Fermi paradox
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: January 05, 2011 11:08PM

Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. If God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world?
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: January 05, 2011 11:10PM

another one
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: January 06, 2011 07:34AM

"why is there evil in the world?"

Free Will. All evil is man made therefore evil is free will, there is no devil.
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: January 06, 2011 08:32AM

conclusion: if there is no devil, there is no god.

The Bible says that Hell is a place of eternal darkness, if there were flames, there would be light.
Here the argument is flawed cause you are picking your metaphors at your own disgression. What if eternal darkness is a figure of speech for the lack of hope. That is easily viable. Even if the fire is literal, and hell is lit up like a disco, it can still like hope. (The reverse can be true.)
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: January 06, 2011 08:39AM

all the links i post on this site are presented not as facts, but as "so you thought you knew everything". you are obviously free to take as much as you want as fact, as there is no way to prove or disprove either (blind faith being the hardest to sell).
blinkermann Report This Comment
Date: January 06, 2011 09:29AM

Actually Fossil, nothing is easier to sell than blind faith -- as long as it is packaged right.
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: January 06, 2011 09:56AM

intimidation through eternal damnation works only on the easily impressionable and easily controlled.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: January 06, 2011 10:55AM

Ah yes, but ... if all evil is man made, and given that man, or at least 90% or so of humanity ascribes to the concept of "god" as the accepted creator of man, then such a god would also be the same creator of these evil humans. This can be further extrapolated to mean that god is also the creator of evil. It seems much more than curious that an all knowing, all loving and all powerful god would also be the creator of the same evils that would then dog his creation in the most heinous of ways throughout all of known humanity. Or, such a god has a truly wicked sense of humor and just enjoys the ensuing show that unfolds as his creations go about the odd actions of procreating and killing one another.

Once one discards the concept of faith that a god exists, the rest of the construct of existence of a god like entity and all the inherently fantastical stories and revelations in theological texts dissolve pretty simply through the application of pure logic and reason.

To prove the above point requires nothing more than limiting ones intellectual inspection of the concept of god to what is logical, and hence provable or improvable through the defining eye of the application of logic alone, absent of the application of faith as validation of it.

Without using the argument of faith as a basis for belief in the possibility of the following, how could one explain a talking snake, a talking bush, an individuals ability to part a sea, or arise from the dead? Without the use of faith as a mainstay in the possibility of such things or actions, the laws of probability of such phenomenon or actions having occurred soon end up as fanciful at best.

While books for children, and indeed fictional texts as well are commonly filled with such stretches of the imagination, people in general place no significance on their validity or logical plausibility. Curiously however, the bulk of humanity does exactly that with religious texts filled with similar flights of fancy, and when asked why, simply reply .... "You would have to have faith to understand".

Once reason and logic are bypassed in favor of faith, all manner of illogical or improbable things can be accepted as possible. By contrast, if faith in such possibilities is left out of the equation and logical possibilities and probabilities are used as parameters of what can or could happen, the constucts of all religion/theology then fall into the realm of the implausible.

If someone were capable of explaining the existence of a god without utilizing faith in the improbable or unprovable as the basis for acceptance of such a belief, that would then be a formidable conversation to hold winking
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jgoins Report This Comment
Date: January 07, 2011 07:30AM

You are attempting to place human characteristics on God in order to show he doesn't exist. God created man and gave him free will, it is how man uses that free will that defines good and evil for our lives. A true omnipotent being would not be governed by the same ideals as humans and humans cannot understand that entity so we put him in terms we can understand in our own minds. The Bible is merely a book of guidelines for following God's law and I don't believe it was created to be followed literally.
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: January 07, 2011 08:57AM

how can you take anything literally or otherwise as gospel or anything else when you don't know who wrote it?
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment
Date: January 07, 2011 07:10PM

Look's like somebody is going to helldisappointed smiley
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: January 07, 2011 07:12PM

i had so much fun, they kicked me out. rock on
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: January 08, 2011 12:00AM

it's funny that one of the greatest works of art in history is taking such shit marks....it must be me. i'm so proud. smiling
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woberto Report This Comment
Date: January 08, 2011 12:00AM

Some of my fave's
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I Corinthians 14:34-35: "women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

Deuteronomy 22:28-29:"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

Proverbs 23:13:"Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die."

Deuteronomy 21:18-21:"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid."

Deuteronomy 15:16-17:"But if your servant says to you, "I do not want to leave you," because he loves you and your family and is well off with you, then take an awl and push it through his ear lobe into the door, and he will become your servant for life. Do the same for your maidservant."

Matthew 10:34-36:"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw "?? man's enemies will be the members of his own household."

Ezekiel 23:20-21:"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled."
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: January 08, 2011 05:31AM

Ah yes the Old Testament, pure fire and brimstone.