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Different Paths Same Destination

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Different Paths Same Destination

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anon Report This Comment
Date: March 08, 2010 03:25AM

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notanon Report This Comment
Date: March 08, 2010 03:40AM

An Example Made...

fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: March 08, 2010 11:41AM

anon is not an American. smiling
bouncing smiley(*facepalm*)
Mach Report This Comment
Date: March 08, 2010 09:07PM

Either are these politicians. Some of you guys wanted to vote for McCain for President, hopefully you're learning as you go.


Sen.John McCain handjob


o Sen. Scott Brown [R, MA]
o Sen. Saxby Chambliss [R, GA]
o Sen. James Inhofe [R, OK]
o Sen. George LeMieux [R, FL]
o Sen. Joseph Lieberman [I, CT]
o Sen. Jefferson Sessions [R, AL]
o Sen. John Thune [R, SD]
o Sen. David Vitter [R, LA]
o Sen. Roger Wicker [R, MS]


S.3081: Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

The “Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010,” introduced by Senators John McCain and Joseph Lieberman on Thursday with little fanfare, “sets out a comprehensive policy for the detention, interrogation and trial of suspected enemy belligerents who are believed to have engaged in hostilities against the United States by requiring these individuals to be held in military custody, interrogated for their intelligence value and not provided with a Miranda warning,”

The bill does not distinguish between U.S. citizens and non-citizens, and states that “suspected belligerents” who are “considered a “high-value detainee” shall not be provided with a Miranda warning.”

A person is considered a “high value detainee” if they fulfill one of the following criteria.

(1) poses a threat of an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the U.S. or U.S. facilities abroad; (2) poses a threat to U.S. military personnel or U.S. military facilities; (3) potential intelligence value; (4) is a member of al Qaeda or a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda or (5) such other matters as the President considers appropriate.

Now that the Southern Poverty Law Center and the federal government, via the MIAC report and innumerable other leaked documents, now consider virtually anyone with a dissenting opinion against the state as “posing a threat,” millions of peaceful American citizens could be swept up by this frightening dragnet of tyranny.

However, according to the bill, an individual doesn’t even have to pose a threat to be snatched, detained and interrogated – they can merely be deemed to be of “potential intelligence value” or come under the vague and sweeping mandate of “such other matters as the President considers appropriate”.

This last designation hands Obama dictator powers to have any American citizen kidnapped, detained, and interrogated on a whim.

The only proviso that even hints at some form of check or balance is the measure that states, “The High-Value Detainee Interrogation Team must make a preliminary determination whether the detainee is an unprivileged enemy belligerent within 48 hours of taking detainee into custody.”

“The High-Value Detainee Interrogation Team must submit its determination to the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General after consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. The Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General make a final determination and report the determination to the President and the appropriate committees of Congress. In the case of any disagreement between the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General, the President will make the determination,” states the bill.

The ACLU has expressed its vigorous opposition to the legislation, labeling it nothing less than a “direct attack on the Constitution”.

“Indefinite detention flies in the face of American values and violates this country’s commitment to the rule of law,” states Laura W. Murphy, Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office.

Of course, such positions from the ACLU as well as Amnesty International will only be used as grist for the neo-con propaganda mill about how the bill ought to be passed in order to avoid being “soft on terrorists,” a piece of spin still being swallowed whole by millions of conservatives who are blissfully unaware of the fact that the apparatus of the war on terror is now being aimed squarely at politically active American citizens.

“Torture, indefinite imprisonment, secret trials and limited staged hearings are the stuff of cheap dictatorships,” writes Ian McColgin. “They are the sort of idiocy we scorned in the Soviets, the Koreans and the Vietnamese. It is astonishing that we have senators and citizens even discussing this bill which is not a capitulation to terrorism – it’s the triumph of terrorism.”
Martin Reiner Report This Comment
Date: March 19, 2010 08:53PM

S. 3081 If Passed, Will Be An Agent Provocateur Field Day Against Americans

After reading McCain’s bill S.3081, it appears apparent there is little difference between S.3081 and “Hitler’s 1933 Discriminatory Decrees”, except wording. While McCain’s bill does not directly suspend the Constitution like Hitler did, S.3081 similar to Hitler (orders arrests and detainment of innocent people without probable cause” based on suspicion they "supported hostile activities." That will Crush Free Speech, your Right to Express an Opinion; terrorize Innocent Americans’ right to Free Association out of fear they might erroneously be arrested for “supporting hostile activities against the Government.” Under S.3091, any Citizen could be disappeared by government based on allegations of “suspicious activity” or "supporting hostile activity" against U.S. Government. Associating with people that support any cause could subject a Citizen to indefinite detainment.

Should this bill pass, Americans rightfully so, will become afraid to distribute or publish their writings, especially on the Internet that might appear to criticize U.S. Government. S.3081 has the potential of being used as a political weapon by U.S. Government/Police Agencies because S.3081 eliminates the requirement Government have probable before they pick up and detain an individual.

Should S.3081 pass, Agent provocateurs will have a field day causing the arrest of innocent persons based only on mere suspicion. Using S.3081, Government agents too easily can cause the arrest of writers like Hitler did, simply by having provocateurs distribute a writer’s articles criticizing government, at a meeting of "real potential terrorists." The Gestapo went so far to print pamphlets and other publicans erroneously attaching someone’s name they wanted arrested.
Mach Report This Comment
Date: March 19, 2010 09:42PM

Martin Reiner, exactly........

people don't take this shit very seriously but then when it happens they bitch and cry about it... after they're the ones that it effects directly.