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Just ask a Canadian.

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Just ask a Canadian.

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Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: July 21, 2009 10:53AM

The Canadians I know who are capable of doing so have separate private insurance policies to cover costs necessary for parts of their health care the govts system does not so they can then go outside Canada for treatments and receive treatments in a more timely fashion if necessary. Not exactly a glowing endorsement of a well working system.

Dunno the absolute truth of it but I recently read the waiting list for obstetric care in Canada is now 10 months long. Guess if you plan to have a baby, you'd better really plan ahead (*facepalm*)

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DW9279 Report This Comment
Date: July 21, 2009 11:26AM

As demonstrated by what Mr. Obama said yesterday when he hosted a conference call with leftist bloggers urging them to pressure Congress to pass his health plan as soon as possible.” During the call, a blogger from Maine said he kept running into an Investors Business Daily article that claimed Section 102 of the House health legislation would outlaw private insurance. He asked: “Is this true? Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed?” President Obama replied: “You know I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about.” This is a truly disturbing admission by the President especially considering that later in the call, Obama promises yet again: “If you have health insurance, and you like it, and you have a doctor that you like, then you can keep it. Period.” How can Obama keep making this promise if he is not familiar with the health legislation that is being written in Congress? Details matter.Just like the porkuless plan no one in Washington has a real grasp on what is being proposed as Obama care. I am sure we can fix it after we pass it right?
Wolfgang613 Report This Comment
Date: July 21, 2009 03:41PM

First of all if this cartoon is right than the privet healthcare system has nothing to worry about. No one will want to use the government system. As for President Obama not knowing every single word of the bill being debated in congress, this is not unexpected. He has far too much to do than sit around and read every little detail of a bill that is still unfinished. For all we know Section 102 has already been rewritten three time by now. Congress it writing this bill not President Obama. He will just give it a ya or nay when to gets to his office. Lets start putting the blame where it belongs in Congress.
The Central Scrutinizer Report This Comment
Date: July 21, 2009 04:26PM

It needs fixing and for profit Insurance thuggery is the reason. (Along with for profit big Pharma....)

I'll take my chances with the government as private enterprise has proved itself to be a complete pile of shit when it comes to matters of life and death. There is no "greater good" in pure capitolism. There is no motivation in pure socialism. A hybrid is the only option that doesn't live in criminal asshole-land.....

(Just a mere seven months behind us......)
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: July 22, 2009 07:05AM

Of anyone thinks the government can handle health care just look at medicare.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: July 22, 2009 10:26AM

Here's a great example of govt. run health care:

Airman 1st Class Colton Read was having his gallbladder removed at David Grant Medical Center at Travis Air Force Base in California when surgeons nicked or punctured an aorta. The breach was repaired enough to save his life, but soon began leaking. This complication disrupted the blood supply to Read's legs and prompted doctors to fly him to UC Davis Medical Center in Sacramento for a partial amputation. The case is currently under investigation by the base.

Yep, we need more of this kinda help for sure. Sadly this is also exactly why malpractice suits occur. With this airman in the service however I believe he's incapable of filing suit against the hospital or doctors who made this sad and awful mistake that definitely will change the whole course of his life from this point forward.

Is it really so hard to imagine this type of care on a national scale once the federal government becomes a major (if not THE major) health care provider for the citizens here? hot smiley

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Wolfgang613 Report This Comment
Date: July 22, 2009 10:39AM

If anyone thinks a government can't handle healthcare just ask the citizens of France, Italy, San Marino, Andorra, Malta, Singapore, Spain, Oman, Austria, Japan, Norway, Portugal, Monaco, Greece, Iceland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, United Kingdom, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium, Colombia, Sweden, Cyprus, Germany, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Israel, Morocco, Canada, Finland, Australia, Chile, Denmark, Dominica, and Costa Rica. All of these countries have better healthcare systems than the U.S. and most are government run. And yes even Canada,s is better them the U.S. system, so if your complaining about the Canadian healthcare system just think of how messed up the U.S. system is now. disappointed smiley
If you wish to complain about the cost of a government run healthcare system, just ask why the U.S. spends more per person on healthcare now under a privet healthcare system than anyone else in the world: USA 4,271, Switzerland 3,857, Norway 3,182, Denmark 2,785, Germany 2,697, France 2,288, Japan 2,243, Netherlands 2,173, Sweden 2,145, and Belgium 2,137. The statistics do not backup the notion that a government run healthcare system is poorer quality and cost more than a privet run healthcare system. There is a way to make it better 36 other countries have done it and at a lower cost.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: July 22, 2009 10:46AM

And none of those countries are run by the totally bloated, bureaucracy overladen type of national government the US has, so your point is moot Wolfie grinning
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Wolfgang613 Report This Comment
Date: July 22, 2009 10:55AM

Here's a great example of govt. run health care:

Airman 1st Class Colton Read was having his gallbladder removed at David Grant Medical Center at Travis Air Force Base in California when surgeons nicked or punctured an aorta. The breach was repaired enough to save his life, but soon began leaking. This complication disrupted the blood supply to Read's legs and prompted doctors to fly him to UC Davis Medical Center in Sacramento for a partial amputation. The case is currently under investigation by the base.

Yep, we need more of this kinda help for sure. Sadly this is also exactly why malpractice suits occur. With this airman in the service however I believe he's incapable of filing suit against the hospital or doctors who made this sad and awful mistake that definitely will change the whole course of his life from this point forward.

Is it really so hard to imagine this type of care on a national scale once the federal government becomes a major (if not THE major) health care provider for the citizens here?




What Mrkim forgot to tell everyone is that because this happened at a military hospital Airman 1st Class Colton Read will not have to pay for any follow up medical procedures due to this unfortunate mistake. If this happened in a private hospital, the best outcome would have been a lawsuit with the lawyers getting 30% or more of the settlement and the patient would still have to pay for further medical cost. These mistakes happen just as often at private hospitals but with a worse outcome. I would rather have a medical system which is not afraid to own up to its mistakes unlike the one we have now. eye popping
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Wolfgang613 Report This Comment
Date: July 22, 2009 11:02AM

Mrkim wrote:

And none of those countries are run by the totally bloated, bureaucracy overladen type of national government the US has, so your point is moot Wolfie



Come again! confused
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DW9279 Report This Comment
Date: July 22, 2009 04:15PM

Keep in mind that What is going to happen is all the best doctors are going to a/ retire or b/ leave the country because they can’t do business the way Obama care will force them to. I have government run health care now thru the VA just like the airmen in the above post will have when he finally is discharged from the Air Force, he will spend the rest of his life fighting the VA for his care because he will leave the service only after he settles on a disability percentage some what less than he deserves giving him a couple of thousand dollars a month and then he will have to justify every year getting that sum of money and getting his health care from the VA.
This I can tell you is what you all will have to deal with when a bureaucrat gets a hold of your health care. Just ask any one who has VA health care, the care is great if you can justify a need for the treatment then you can wait in line and then travel hundreds of miles to get it. That is exactly what you will get with this bill.

As fare as those other country's having the best health care first have you ever been to one of those countries? I have and I have seen people with scares from neck to navel jest because he had his Gallbladder removed. Great doctors and a great system.....no thanks.



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Wolfgang613 Report This Comment
Date: July 22, 2009 05:27PM

When a doctor retires a new doctor will take his place. There are people in med-school right now isn't there? There will still be privet heathcare so what doctor will be forced to do what? The privet insurance will just have to compete with a public plan. By the way, HMOs make doctors do many things they don't want to do for the purpose of more profit. Also, where are these doctors going to go and get a better deal then the U.S.? What is the name of this mythical country?confused
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And who said that the proposed public heathcare system will be the same as the VA's? We don't know what it will be, and the fear of the unknown is very powerful. My point was that the airman will not have to sue and make a bunch or lawyers rich to get his heathcare for the mistake that happened. I said nothing about the VA or military disability which are other systems which need to be fixed.
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: July 22, 2009 07:44PM

i know 2 doctors who will retire. and they claim to know a few. so.....
i'm confused...people say we can do this deal now, but have no clue as to the "readiness" of the system. you guys do know that there are waiting times for specialists/surgeries/out patient etc. for care with peoples work co-pay/ppo/ etc.... i guess the confusion on my part is where the hell do you characters think you're going to squeeze (minimum, prolly counted by acrorn's inflated horseshit) 46 million more patients who may have never had care? imagine the mountain of paperwork the poor fucks will be filling out.

the numbers do not work no matter how you look at it. totally
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why is this not a common sense question? NO!
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: July 23, 2009 07:51AM

After congress and our damn president destroy America for the terrorists, where will that leave us?
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: July 23, 2009 10:15AM

Back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in
Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They failed
and it closed. Now we are trusting the economy of our country, our banking
system, our auto industry and possibly our health plans to the same
nit-wits who couldn't make money running a whore house and selling whiskey!


Just another glowing example of how the government is capable of mismanaging even the most successful of enterprises. If they couldn't even keep open a franchise sellin pussy and booze just imagine what they'll do with YOUR health care concerns (*facepalm*)

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Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: July 23, 2009 11:08AM

Wolfie, you really missed the boat and obviously fail to see the big picture in the mentions of the malpractice event I mentioned earlier.

Any member of the Armed Forces is assured total health care as a part of their employment during their duty assignments, and at no costs to them as it's part of their benefits package as an employee.

Now then, while they are assured care they also have no option for what care they will be receiving, when they will receive care for a malady/illness or condition, who will administer the care, nor any recourse for any event that could be viewed as malpractice as subsequent terms of their agreement.

What all this means is that any member of the Armed Forces is guaranteed care but also has no rights in regard to expectations of what it will be, nor any recourse for any mistreatment or faults resulting from administration of said care.

What all this means in this particular instance is that although this airman was admitted and treated for gall bladder issues, when the doctor accidentally knicked his aorta during the operation resulting in emergency countermeasures to save his life, which too was unsuccessful in totality, he then required further emergency treatment that meant partial amputation of a limb.

But ... you're sure right, he won't have to pay a dime for the initial treatment, any portion of the required countermeasures resulting from the doctors mistakes during his treatments, nor even the physical therapy that will be required so he can learn to walk again without part of his leg, and as a parting shot also is incapable of securing any compensation relevant to how all this will effect his life from this point forward, eventhough the end results were all required as a result of accidental or negligent practices on the part of the surgeon performing the initial procedure.

In some truly twisted way you somehow think this is a success story? Sorry but your logic train won't be stopping here.

Sadly however, this is exactly the kind of twisted logic that will help us move towards federally mandated health care.

You also seem to make excuses for the puppetmasters not even understanding the scope or terms of the health care proposals before congress, like all the other no-brainer liberals are so quick to do. But ... isn't he the one who pushed this train to get it all started and then has lobbied the members of congress and indeed the American people themselves near daily of late for it's passage, and NOW, not after looking it all over and understanding it's parameters in totality, since he claims that's of less importance than it is in just getting it passed through the legislature BEFORE they adjourn for their upcoming "vacation"!

With that in mind is it truly unreasonable to expect he at least know what the fuck he's holding up to the American people as the Holy Grail of health care for the nation as a whole? Is it too much to expect that he at least know WHAT he's trying to sell?

If there were a way you and all your intellectually bankrupt buddies could take this health care crap that's being offered but the rest of us could choose to do otherwise, that would be fine to me, but that's not how it works when the government enacts a policy intended to encompass all Americans. This pending legislation is intended to eventually take away all other options for health care for the bulk of Americans outside of the one that will be offered by the government, leaving only those financially capable of procuring what will then be astronomically higher premium based private (just as an FYI "private" is spelled this way, not "privet"winking
smiley health care insurance and you still think that's a good idea huh?

Further extending the growing chasm between the Haves and the Have Nots is good for us all eh, whatta concept (*facepalm*)

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FrostedApe Report This Comment
Date: July 23, 2009 11:09AM

I truly believe that the "government", from the city council up to the president, is primarily made up of well-intentioned retards who, given the chance, will almost always come up with the worst possible way to accomplish any task they are given. "We, The People" keep demanding more and more from "them", and none of "them" has either the brains or backbone to tell "us", "Your idea is stupid, and you can't have it." "We" reward them for their stupidity by re-electing "them" until they come up against either a term limit, or an indictment.

We get the government we deserve.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: July 23, 2009 11:23AM

I'm well past asking "the government" for anything. I don't expect, nor need more from them as the old "less is more" seems more reasonable in this regard.

I'm quite happy with the government I was assured under the Constitution and The Bill of Rights, which is far and away less than what it's morphed into being as it is today.

Sadly, the sheeple persevere in their pursuits to demand and expect more, no matter what the cost it comes at to everyone else or our freedoms as a nation of individual peoples totally
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DW9279 Report This Comment
Date: July 24, 2009 12:04AM

MRKim I have misjudged you, you do make sense. The Loony Left will not get this picture we are holding up to their face until they actually have to live with it.



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jgoins Report This Comment
Date: July 24, 2009 08:10AM

By the time they have to "live with it", they will not be able to "live" with it.
Wolfgang613 Report This Comment
Date: July 24, 2009 06:48PM

It is apparent that I was completely misunderstood as to my previous post here. I was simply pointing out that the government run military medical system is not the worst thing going, and that it owns up to its mistakes and tries to make good on them. Unlike the civilian medical system which is run primarily by private companies who are trying to make a buck on our misery, and if there is a mistake made will try to hide it, deny it and do everything in there power to get out of paying for it. The tragedy that befell Airman 1st Class Colton Read is by no means a success. He has had both his legs amputated and my still face more problems down the road due to the mistakes made by a surgeon. We don't know if the surgeon acted negligently or recklessly so to call it malpractice is premature. Sometimes these things happen despite the best attempts to stop them. If this is found to be malpractice, the surgeon will most likely face a court marshal.

As for Airman 1st Class Colton Read, his medical will be paid for now and in the future for any rehab or complications arising from this tragedy and he most likely will get 100% military disability payments for the rest of his life. Suing will just make some lawyers richer. I doubt he will get a better dial through a lawsuit. And yes, he could sue the military it is just much harder to do.

Using an unfortunate tragedy as "...a great example of govt. run health care" is a farce. Mistakes are made just as often in both the government run military hospitals and in the civilian run private hospitals, neither are perfect and they never will be. This relates nothing to the reliability of the proposed government health plan.

The health care plan will just give access to anyone who need to go to the hospital without the wary of how to pay for it. In theory this will reduce medical cost because people will get problems taken care of before they are emergencies which will make us healthier, and if we are healthier them we will be more productive and will be able to put more money back into the economy. This is of course a Utopian idle and will most likely fall short of perfection, but we should at lest try to get close.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: July 25, 2009 08:02AM

I have been in favor of national health care for years but do not believe it can be done without someone paying for it. If the rich pay for it then they will have to make changes to keep their bottom line intact and that will mean fewer jobs. Maybe they should try a 1% sales tax, do away with income tax, to pay for it then everyone will pay for it. Government money is not free someone has to pay for it we cannot keep borrowing to run the nation, there will come a time when our debt becomes too big and China will foreclose on the mortgage. America is in serious trouble and it is only getting worse.