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The gun is loaded and the finger is on the trigger wake up America please

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The gun is loaded and the finger is on the trigger wake up America please

Comments for: The gun is loaded and the finger is on the trigger wake up America please
maddie Report This Comment
Date: July 16, 2009 03:27PM


cue the lackluster responces now... by the way a b2 stealth bomber cost how much to build? and how many would we have to give up to pay for health care?
PrOpHeT Report This Comment
Date: July 16, 2009 04:03PM

The flip side of that would be who would build them and or anything if we gave everything away for free from the government...

fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: July 16, 2009 04:55PM

maddie: did you just minimize our national security to get health care from habib the second year med student? totally

PrOpHeT Report This Comment
Date: July 16, 2009 05:02PM

I feel obligated to point out something for you here fosil...

Habib has become a common slang term for those of middle easter descent, it gained popularity in movies of old arabia where some damsel would refer to a man as Habib.

Considering the word translates roughly between lover and beloved, I would be careful who you called Habib!

It could lead to some awkward social situations no doubt...

Just a heads up winking

fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: July 16, 2009 05:50PM

o.k., how 'bout bob the first year med student....point is that the quality of care will be rationed to med students (there are not enough doctors and nurses out there).
i think you should understand that i am not pc. i speak the truth.
PrOpHeT Report This Comment
Date: July 16, 2009 06:33PM

O' I have zero personal qualms about it, I was more giving an FYI than a complaint. winking

pro_junior Report This Comment
Date: July 16, 2009 07:14PM

I don't use "habib" for my ethnic slurs...I use "poonjab"...
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: July 16, 2009 07:58PM

"The cost of each air vehicle averaged US$737 million in 1997 dollars.[3] Total procurement costs averaged US$929 million per plane, which includes spare parts, equipment, retrofitting, and software support.[3] The total program cost, which includes development, engineering and testing, averaged US$2.1 billion per aircraft (in 1997 dollars)." Full article here -> []

Let's start with what the House version of the Obamacare program costs are being touted at which is $1.2 trillion. This is the more expensive number of all the plans and such, but with the government at the helm, you can damned well bet even that figure is modest in terms of what it will eventually cost, so let's stay with this figure as a kind of median number to attempt to work this from.

Now for some perspective

Obamacare Program : $1,200,000,000,000
20 plane fleet of B-2s : $42,000,000,000

I dunno, I mean I'm just an old Texan, but I was always taught more zeros made a number larger than one with fewer zeros. Anyway, in doing the math it looks like we would have to up the fleet of B-2s to a total of 571 of 'em to reach the same figure as the (proposed) cost of this "National Healthcare Plan". Of course we aren't going to build 551 more B-2s so it's all kinda irrelevant anyway, meaning the argument posed above is similarly irrelevant, and a bit obtuse I might add.

Anyone thinking health care for the country, with politicians writing the policy requirements/determinations and deciding reasonable cost effective benefit plans, then meting it out through down stream chains of bureacrasies is gonna be good for anyone but the people making bank off of handling it all is a damned fool.

Ask any American with a brain how to totally fuck anything up and the answer you'll find most frequently is "Let the government run it!".

The grand puppetmaster has already been quoted as saying if it were his family members medical problems he would not limit the care given to them by the limitations of his program. Oh yeah dude, way to sell it!

If, and mind you, this is the big IF that's never gonna happen, no matter what, but IF the same people writing our laws regarding healthcare/medicare/medicaide/social security and retirement programs were required to use these things, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, no ifs ands or buts, they JUST MIGHT create legislation that made sense both economically and socially.

So ... here's a personal shout out to all the idiots out there that think government controlled and mandated health care will ever be reasonable, affordable or practical in its implementation or scope. Here's a big high hard one just for each and every fuckin one of ya (*finger3*)

And, as a final tribute here's one more. I'll bend right the fuck over and show you exactly where to kiss it (*butt*)


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 16/07/2009 07:59PM by Mrkim.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: July 16, 2009 09:17PM

BTW, the analogy drawn by the cartoon above is absolutely correct. Liberalism with the guiding hand of Islamic fundamentalism will be the end of America as we know it, which will then lead to the deterioration along with the rise of socialism in the free world as a whole as the end result.

Big and waaaaaaay bigger government is not the key to our success. It costs us HUGE piles of cash, and last time I looked .... we didn have any of those, but don't tell the government, they'll just offer to print MORE, and tell us not to worry about that 30% it costs us for each new dollar minted.

Political correctness is not the key to our success. It stymies freedom, while making criminals out of people who thought they had a right to dissent or speak their mind.

Socialistic agendas of the government ruling every segment of our lives is not the key to our success. Again it costs HUGE piles of cash and only further diminishes our freedoms and rights, which is great if you're the cats at the top, but shit if you're not. Though slavery was officially abolished quite some time ago, it's back, and with a brand new name, a few new twists, but all the same underpinnings.

The key to our success and continuation as a society is the same as it's always been. Do what's necessary for yourself, accept responsibility for your own success AND failures, work hard and do what's right and be cognizant of what IS right in regards to others.

I'd like to think I could look back on the events of today in 20yrs and say they were for the best. The reality I fear will greet us is looking back in 20yrs and wondering will lead more to queries like "How the hell did we screw up our government and society so badly in such a short span?" totally

PrOpHeT Report This Comment
Date: July 16, 2009 10:31PM

Now I see Punjab as more Indian, I find Towel-Head is generic enough to get most of them successfully stereotyped without exposing ones self to too much rebuke. smileys
with beer

fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: July 16, 2009 11:11PM

little sheet heads?
DarkKlown Report This Comment
Date: July 17, 2009 12:18AM

Government spending is one of those wonderful things that if done right only manages to boost the economy. I mean if the government spends $1billion in wages a large % of that billion spent is going to come back in taxes (income tax, item purchases from wages also pay a tax), so really now the government isn't spending 1 billion it's only spending a % less than that, now if you also think about it the money it does get back it's gonna re-spend and a % of that is also going to come back.

However when a government spends money on offshore projects, war?, how much of that money recycles back into the countries economy? I really don't see why Americans can get all upset about this stupid idea when you are already paying for a much bigger stupid idea. At least this one will give bob the first year medical student something to do. And enable him to later move into private practice and be able to pay more in tax in a year.

And the thing about medical care is no one if forcing you to take it. If you want better care and are willing to pay for it that's good for you. But for those that aren't willing to pay for it they should at least have the chance to get some kinda care.

Hopefully you guys are smart enough to introduce a medicare levee so if you don't have private healthcare you pay an amount of tax but if you do have it you don't have to support a public system.
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: July 17, 2009 12:26AM

"no one if forcing you to take it".........FALSE!

if you do not have coverage, you will be fined....matter of record.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: July 17, 2009 07:09AM

Keep trying Fossil, their eyes a closed by the media.
PrOpHeT Report This Comment
Date: July 17, 2009 09:09AM

The same ones that voted him in are scrambling frantically to cheer for him, however their numbers are dwindling. They have switched tactics from

"Yes we can"


"Shit, well what can we get..."


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 17/07/2009 09:09AM by PrOpHeT.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: July 17, 2009 10:14AM

DK, I respect your thoughts and know there's some logic behind them in respect to government spending vs. return into the economy. However, unless you have spent hours upon hours researching this issue, its implementation costs, management costs and what all this means to the American people and economy at a juncture where so many people and companies are doing all they can just to survive the current economic conditions I feel you're truly ill equipped to comment on the functionality of this program as a whole.

It's one thing to view a thought, idea or process in an abstract way compared to inspecting all sides and parameters of it, then deciding with such an inspection under ones belt if it is sound or folly.

It's no secret the US economy is tettering on the brink of financial ruin these days. With that in mind additional taxes upon the wealthier sections of the population and small businesses will only serve to undermine economic growth, not stimulate it as this is essentially hitting both ends of the economic growth spectrum. The plan intends to get funding through attacking those capable of investing in development of new industries/jobs/sales and the start-up companies poised to expand and also create new industry/jobs and sales.

Then, since all other segments of the economy will also see increased costs for providing mandated health insurance to employees this in turn causes costs for every product and service to have to be increased to recoup these costs, which means, you guessed it ..... higher costs for everything, and sadly at a time when the US public is the least capable of shouldering such increases.

My thoughts on our "outside our borders" policies have been presented here multiple times as well as my position on a 20yr period of isolationism as a nation, so there's no point in rehashing it all again here now.

The truest down side to all the talk of a national health care program is that it simply leads to more bureaucracy, more government employees, meaning more money to fund their salaries and benefits which is all in addition to the cost of the health care coverage we will receive in return! Lastly, our government NEVER does anything profitably, starting in Home Town USA and all the way right up to Washington DC and with that in mind the one thing I feel sure of is this program will not only do the job poorly all in all, but it will do it in a totally inefficient way and costs be damned hot smiley

PrOpHeT Report This Comment
Date: July 17, 2009 10:29AM

That my friend is the beauty of money and being the government that regulates said money.

Considering that most of the financial substance of this country was thrown away years ago in favor of a shell game of numbers,
we now suffer the sins of our own greed in that respect.

This administration will do as the last and the one before and the one before that.
And that will be make the numbers match were they have to and let the future deal with the fallout.

It has been a long time since either the government or the people of this country were willing to accept the truth of where our economy stands, and what it would really take to fix.

Instead we focus on building paper houses and playing with matches winking

Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: July 17, 2009 11:02AM

True enough, sad, but true.

If the government were bound by the same financial constraints as every company and individual in regards to money, lots of things would be different. If a company or individual pays for a product or service they are constrained by the idea they must 1st have the money to make the purchase, government does not.

If a company or individual writes a check without funds in the kitty to make it good, they have committed a crime and are subject to penalties, fines and loss of credit and credibility. When government commits the same act they simply implement new taxes or borrow from other governments to cover the shortfall and go on about their business.

Every few years some politician will put his mug all over the place yammering on about needing a balanced budget and in turn gets segments of his constituants thinkin he's doin a great job in protecting our financial/fiscal interests, which was problee the fuckin plan all along. But, until it actually occurs in reality, which it hasn't done yet, it's all just more bluster and blather, kinda like madnez's BS, just on a national level handjob

PrOpHeT Report This Comment
Date: July 17, 2009 11:11AM

Hey if I ever finish Sentio Ergo Sum, I will start working harder on my other project www.GovOrgEduNet.Com

You guys could be forum mods... rock on

brokntoad Report This Comment
Date: July 17, 2009 08:40PM

Well I guess it would be good to have habib the first year medical student around when haji the first time suicide bomber sneaks into the US and tries to take out some of our most brilliant minds. I am sure that one of you genuises will be in the line of fire and need some free medical assistant.

It is a shame that a Aussie has more grasp of what is going on with America than the Americans posting here.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: July 17, 2009 10:20PM

^^^^^^ What's truly a shame is that folks like yourself clearly don't even know what time it is, much less what's up ^^^^^^^

With yourself only bein about 2 rungs up from where madnez sits is hardly anything close to what I would call "elevated" toad winking

fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: July 18, 2009 01:17AM

pulse: you fuckin' rule dude! sending those e-mails out was brilliant! smiling
bouncing smiley rock on smiling
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jgoins Report This Comment
Date: July 18, 2009 05:32AM

At what point will our economy be seen as busted by everyone. Start storing food and supplies now even though it may be too late.