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Comments for: immigration
Australia Report This Comment
Date: June 22, 2009 03:40AM

Have you got one for who is leaving America?
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 22, 2009 06:20AM

The stats on who might be leaving are so miniscule, most especially in comparison as to whom and how many are arriving, as to seem moot or irrelevant, so .... your point is?

If you feel you have an axe to grind you should at least whet it properly winking

PrOpHeT Report This Comment
Date: June 22, 2009 12:15PM

It is however a typical response to such statistics, generally from Americans, but not always.

See the ill there is that a great many Americans seem to see themselves as some master race with no acknowledgment of the product of immigration that they are.

American always has and hopefully always will mean an amalgamation of race and national origin into a consolidated sense of national pride. Very few inhabitants of America cannot trace their ancestry back more than a few generations before realizing they themselves came over on a boat.

As the USA starts to breed more generations of socialist pantywaists that expect their daily bread in a box labeled "Product of the US Government", there are people coming from elsewhere in the world willing to dig a ditch if need be to buy that same loaf.

To that end I say one cannot throw bread on the ground and expect the ants not to come.

Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 22, 2009 02:46PM

Point taken, but mine still stands just as well. No matter who might be leaving the US the percentages are waaaaay heavier on the side of whom IS emigrating, making such a question of whom might be leaving of little realistic relevance.

Hell yeah, any time someone takes a whack with a comment like the OPs which was clearly meant to make some snide inference regarding de-emigration stats about MY HOME I will damned well step up to the plate in defense of my country.

I don't begin to envision Americans as any type of master race, which would be in itself a pretty inane thought as the question would then arise "Which race within our multicultural makeup would that be conferred upon?", nor that we have any right to claim a superior society either, so this is no part of what was said, nor in the realm of the un-said by my statements. I try diligently to be quite succinct in what I say with no need for ancillary interpretation afterwards winking

America, Americans and the American society all have their shortcomings, as does any other place(s) or group(s) on this ol spinnin orb. With that having been said I know I'm right where I want to be, and what seems pretty obvious from the constant streams of those trying to get here is that, as bad as many folks seem to want to make America out to be, there are still plenty of places others are prepared to leave to be here instead, which can not be said of many other places in the world grinning

GAK67 Report This Comment
Date: June 22, 2009 03:34PM

Two quick points:

Mrkim, immigration is when people enter a country, emigration is when they leave. De-emigration is not correct grammar.

Second point: This is not just a US issue. Australia has boat loads of people trying to get in from Indonesia and other places, the UK has immigration issues with people from other parts of Europe, people try and cross from northern Africa to southern Europe. NZ also has an immigration problem, although admittedly it is easier to control due to physical distance from neighbouring countries.
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 22, 2009 05:02PM

Emigration:to leave one's place of residence or country to live elsewhere. Example:They emigrated from Canada to the United States ..... isn't this what's done when one leaves their country to enter the US?? Emigration and immigration are almost interchangeable, just not quite.

I learned significant amounts of grammar so I could absolutely abuse the language at will later on in life GAK. If you don't know the laws, breakin 'em isn't 1/2 as much fun, besides which, grammatically correct or otherwise, simple word mechanics gets the point across anyway as "de" simply negates whatever comes after it.

Immigrants emigrating from anywhere to anywhere can be and is problematic in more places than here, though since this is MY HOME, where would you think I would naturally care most about this issue?

What seems to worsen our own issues is many fold, proximity, desire to be here, seeking asylum from whatever, etc. Then with the government doling out rights and benefits to those emigrating here both legally and illegally with huge sections of the public screaming their discontent with these policies, and our politicians all the while just doin what-the-fuck-ever while the legal citizens are left holding steadily depleting bags of reserve cash as the government continues to hand it all out to any fucker with a sob story EXCEPT the actual citizens, oh yeah, we're just lovin that shit hot smiley

I approve this conglomeration of run-on sentences. As is my want ... so is my way smileys
with beer


Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 22/06/2009 05:23PM by Mrkim.
PrOpHeT Report This Comment
Date: June 22, 2009 05:34PM

@Mrkim my comments were at first comment not yours winking

Thus far the rest has further illustrated my point.

We are the target of such influx due to favorable conditions and the multitude of benefits to being American.

I happen to live in Texas, though not native. I can tell you I live with the immigration issue up front.

And though the statistics do not hold true in some places I can show you able bodied 10th generation Americans living in my town that draw checks every month out of laziness, and I can show you people who jumped the fence 3 weeks ago that will work all day in the sun for $50.

To the ones that live off the system, they are detritus however no more so than that which collects here naturally.

Fix the system and immigration will once again be the source of this country's strength, not its adversary.


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 22/06/2009 05:35PM by PrOpHeT.
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: June 22, 2009 07:13PM

FrostedApe Report This Comment
Date: June 22, 2009 07:58PM

At least a dozen years ago, I was reading a sci-fi novel, the name of which escapes me, but there was one line in it that was so profound it literally changed my understanding of human nature.

"You'll never make people stop doing something, until you make them stop wanting to do it."

As long as there is corruption from top to bottom in Mexico, there will be crushing poverty among the people, and millions of those poor will continue to come to the US to try to make a better life for themselves and their families. Only a massive, organized, armed rebellion will ever be able to root out that corruption, and I don't see any chance of the Mexican people having either the will or the ability to ever stage that rebellion, at least in my lifetime. The only hope of a future for Mexico is if their government collapsed entirely, and begged the US to annex them as a territory, but by then we'll most likely be so far in debt to the Chinese that we won't be able to afford to help them in any significant way.
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: June 22, 2009 10:21PM

his name was..........
Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 22, 2009 10:56PM

PrOpHeT, you now bring the Texan contingent here to 5, at least as far as I know of the users with handles here that can be identified as more than one of the nameless anonomi. To my knowledge only 2 of us are Texas natives, myself and fossil, with possibly a 3rd, though I'm unsure about that so ...

In my time here I have watched as millions of Mescans have streamed across into Texas and the changes to our society and culture that came with them. Some changes have been welcomed while others not, but this is much the way of the world in many things.

I have no issue with the idea that things are better here than in Mexico. Anyone who's followed Mexican politics over the years knows their governments corruption starts at the top and only stops short of the common people themselves. much like here in the US, just worse!

Many of the Mescans I have known are hard working forthright folks, not too bright on the whole, but at least good people in their hearts. It's hard to fault them for wanting the best for their families and seeking a better life here is to be commended, just not at the expense of the natives.

The US govt and all the bleeding heart Dudley Do-Rights have far extended what is reasonable in giving to the folks from down south, even ones here in total violation of our nations laws, and as mentioned elsewhere here, that's exactly why they keep coming. Until the well dries up they'll keep coming and drinking from it, and with our government priming the pump as well as they are, the well just keeps getting more and more shallow, day by day or as the Mescans would say ... poco a poco hot smiley

PrOpHeT Report This Comment
Date: June 23, 2009 02:39PM

Texas, yes. I am a Tylerite.

I rather like it here, economy is still somewhat stable.

I have lived many places, but here I think I will stay.

Mrkim Report This Comment
Date: June 23, 2009 04:16PM

Hmm, about an hour away from me here in Lone Oak smoking