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quasi Report This Comment
Date: April 07, 2008 11:32PM

Stir the pot, digger, stir the pot.
woberto Report This Comment
Date: April 07, 2008 11:48PM

You left out Australia, we'd all be speaking Japanese is it weren't for the USA joining in the 2nd big one. The Fat Lady & Little Boy helped too.
Onyma Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 12:00AM

Now if you want stirring the pot, you might mention that the US itself wouldn't be free had it not got help from France in 1778 winking
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 12:37AM

amen fossil,i think this one has possibilties of getting on the top 20 most commented listsmileys
with beer
90130_ Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 01:43AM

Little boy was dropped on Hiroshima, followed by Fat man over Nagasaki.
woberto Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 02:42AM

And Harley called it a Fat-Boy to stick it up the Japanese imports.
nerd smiley
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 03:03AM

I had a honda fat cat when i was a kid,does that count fer anything?tongue
sticking out smiley
Seeker Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 05:01AM


USA has interfered with so many countries integrity because USA thinks that the American way is the only way.

Very few Iraqi citizens want USA to be present in their country - and why the hell are they?

All the poor relatives to the brave USA soldiers killed in Iraq definitely have their problems trying to understand why their beloved ones should be killed for no apparent reason. In Iraq USA have not liberated any one and never will. GO HOME!

As for all the countries USA have "liberated"; what do you actually know about how these countries would have developed without USA interference.

Stop playing God and mind your own business.
Mint Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 05:48AM

Thank god for the French or we never would have won our revolution. yes..the french. Chew on that one next time you feel high and mighty
woberto Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 06:29AM

The French have a pathological hatred of the British. They weren't so much helping the founding fathers as much as sticking it to the British in the new world.
Zomzoms Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 08:51AM

I'm with 'Seeker'on this one! Liberating other countries my arse!All part of the masterplan to rule the world.
woberto Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 09:33AM

Jews rule the world and yes some of them are in the USA. No matter which government is in power, money can always influence policy, but if there is a WW3 the yanks will be the only ones left.
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 11:03AM

seeeker and zom zoms:
you 2 really believe that crock of shit? every one of these countries listed have been liberated from their respective repressionary, murderous, and corrupt regimes, not a 1 of them do we occupy, nor will we ever occupy.
Zomzoms Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 11:49AM

Sorry Fossil Digger,you've been brainwashed into thinking the U.S. stands for peace and democracy!There is no more corrupt and violent country in the world than 'the good 'ol U.S.of A'!!!!!
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 12:58PM

of course we are corrupt, i never said we weren't, to the contrary actually. but the facts are....^^^^^^^^
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 02:24PM

USA is like the BORG. Assimiulating everthing it touches and killing what it can't

Fuck the us goverment.Get out of my country
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 02:46PM

you have star trek wrong, the US is the federation
Zomzoms Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 05:07PM

YES.The Borg is a great comparison!thumbs
shaDEz Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 06:56PM

oh, was this for me? How thoughtful... lol
I'll come in here a little bit later then(most of my energies is spent on doing this sort of thing on the streets these days)
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 07:10PM

how much ya chargin' lately? smiling
bouncing smiley
woberto Report This Comment
Date: April 08, 2008 07:47PM

First time FREE!!!
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: April 09, 2008 12:28AM

anyone want to dispute this any further? confused
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment
Date: April 09, 2008 01:21AM

Guess all the anons had a curfew tonight..sorry buddy..maybe if ya ask nicely they'll be allowed to come out and play with ya tommorowsmileys
with beer
90130_ Report This Comment
Date: April 09, 2008 02:18AM

We used to make fun of the chubby kid on the Honda Fat Cat when he showed up at our track.
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment
Date: April 09, 2008 02:21AM

I would've ran ur ass overthe finger
Seeker Report This Comment
Date: April 09, 2008 03:21AM

Fossil wrote "every one of these countries listed have been liberated from their respective repressionary, murderous, and corrupt regimes".

Learn your history before you try to teach us. In my country we have never had a "repressionary, murderous, and corrupt regime", but we were occupied by the Germans during WW2.

The Germans lost the war, thanks to Russia, England, USA and the resistance movements in the occupied countries.

To win the war was a joint effort, we didn't win just because USA went into the war.
woberto Report This Comment
Date: April 09, 2008 07:31AM

Nobody knows if the allies would have been victorious without the USA.
It was however an absolute travesty that they waited so long to join the fray, costing millions of lives.
Having said that they fought as bravely as any other soldier and I respect them just like I do the Australian diggers.
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: April 09, 2008 05:00PM

so those adverbs were only 2....there are more...there's not much anyone can dispute here. if it wasn't for us......
quasi Report This Comment
Date: April 09, 2008 07:12PM

Given a couple of opinions offered here, perhaps the USA should've stayed out of WWII altogether. That's never been my opinion but I'm really sick of listening to the bullshit from people who the US fought to free. I think "fuck you, guess we should've stayed home so you could all be saying Zieg Heil" just about sums it up. We might make mistakes and sometimes the law of unintended consequences kicks in but we really do mean well, and with great strength comes an obligation to try to rid the world of tyrants. And save your bullshit about American tyranny, I live here and it just ain't so, things can get pretty screwed up but that's just how life is. And by the way, if we fought the war in Iraq the way we fought WWII, the casualties and destruction would be far more horrendous than they have been with our modern, more targeted munitions (though the damned thing would probably have long been over by now).

To me Iraq has been as if there was a very bad man on the next street over who is torturing and killing his own family but there aren't any cops to stop him. Do I sit here and do nothing about it? Hell no, I've got to stop the asshole. Now, while fighting with this jerk some of his idiot neighbors have decided they want to mix it up with me and take his family hostage, steal their shit, and kill the ones who won't join them. So do I just cut and run & let these other animals take over? Well I'm hurtin' pretty bad by now, it's been a harder and longer fight than I first expected, but I'm not gonna desert these people I swore to help. That's just wrong.
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment
Date: April 10, 2008 12:54AM

well put quasithumbs
shaDEz Report This Comment
Date: April 10, 2008 06:05AM

I think you mean if it wasn't for the Soviets, that we would all be going around saying "zieg heil"
fossil_digger Report This Comment
Date: April 10, 2008 03:57PM

but they were the problem fron then on out. eye rolling
ToucanSam Report This Comment
Date: April 10, 2008 05:27PM

I see the stupid emperor still has plenty of stupid followers for the crusades.
quasi Report This Comment
Date: April 10, 2008 09:13PM

Do you mean, "if it wasn't for the soviets who were actually allied with Hitler until the nut was stupid enough to turn on the soviets which created a second front for the nazis and drained their resources which helped with their eventual downfall?" And boy howdy weren't the soviets such a big help with the Japanese who were right on their back door step? Thank goodness they stepped in to help so that the US didn't have to open the nuclear age and sacrifice thousands of Japanese citizens to avoid killing millions in a conventional war.
shaDEz Report This Comment
Date: April 10, 2008 11:10PM

what? the Soviets were never allied with the Nazis. During the Bolshevics revolution there were crews on German naval ships who were inspired and mutinied against the German imperialists in WWI.
The U.S. never became involved in WWII(with the exception of some Americans, on their own initiative, for the most part, volunteering to help with the British against the Nazis) until the Japanese imperialists bombed Pearl Harbor.
...although the U.S. did help Mao by providing the imperialists in China with equipment the Red Army captured in the civil war.
woberto Report This Comment
Date: April 11, 2008 02:34AM

Did you finish High School shaDEz?

* In August 1939 Stalin's Communist Russia signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler's Nazi Germany in order to keep the aggressive Hitler away from Russia.
* The two dictatorships' mighty armies then attacked and occupied Poland from West and East and divided it between them.
* While Hitler occupied half of Europe from Norway to Greece, Russia occupied the Baltic states and parts of Finland and Romania.
* To keep Hitler appeased all this time, Stalin's Russia provided Germany, as agreed, with large quantities of war materials and even operational support services to assist the German war effort.
* On June 22, 1941, Germany, together with its allies (Finland, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Italy), invaded Russia in a gigantic surprise attack.
* The mighty German military, the most efficient in the world then, applied its successful Blitzkrieg tactic, and the terrible unpreparedness and deployment in concentrations close to the border of the giant Russian army, helped the Germans to achieve tremendous and rapid victories that defeated the brave and fully equipped but surprised and unprepared Russians, forcing millions of encircled Russian soldiers to surrender.
* Hitler's German military, exhausted and not equipped for the harsh Russian winter, was finally stopped just before Moscow.
* Russia survived and recovered from its enormous losses, increased its strength while fighting fiercely, and eventually pushed the Germans all the way back to Berlin, emerging from the long and terrible war as a super-power, an equal only to the United States.
quasi Report This Comment
Date: April 11, 2008 06:23AM

I think shaDEz is from a parallel universe that has a different history than this one. The remarkable thing is that communism is a failed system in his universe too.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: April 11, 2008 08:09AM

Anonymous Wrote:
> USA is like the BORG. Assimiulating everthing it
> touches and killing what it can't
> Fuck the us goverment.Get out of my country

If you want to use the Borg analogy it needs to be used properly. Islam is like the Borg, if you don't assimilate then you will die.
shaDEz Report This Comment
Date: April 11, 2008 03:20PM

And here is where the battle in epistemology takes place. This is also related to the "great purges" under Stalin, so I'll refer to Lotta's speech Socialism Is Much Better Than Capitalism And Communism Will Be a Far Better World, "Part 6: The Soviet Experiment: World War 2 and Its Aftermath" from Set The Record Straight

By the mid-1930s, war clouds were gathering. In 1931, Japan had invaded the Chinese region of Manchuria, which bordered the Soviet Far East. By 1934 in Germany, Hitler had tightened his hold on power, crushed the German Communist Party, and had begun to militarize the economy.

The Soviet revolution was coming to a critical juncture. The danger of imperialist war was growing. How would the Soviet Union prepare economically and militarily, and politically and socially?

By 1934, Stalin and several others in leadership felt it was time to consolidate the political and social gains of the revolution. The new proletarian state was facing extreme and difficult objective conditions. War was looming. There was no prior historical experience for dealing with the magnitude of the situation. Adjustments were called for. But mistakes were made in how this dire necessity was dealt with. On the basis of the transformations in ownership that had gone on, there was a push for greater discipline and stepped-up production in the factories. But the development of the productive forces came to be seen as the guarantee of socialism. Leadership relied less on the conscious activism and initiative of the masses. The radical social and cultural experimentation of the 1920s and early 1930s was reined in – and things got consolidated in a way that strengthened more traditional relations. Socialism in the Soviet Union had to be defended. But the Soviet leadership tended to see the defense of the Soviet Union as being one and the same as the interests of the world revolution without any contradiction – and thus increasingly promoted national patriotism instead of proletarian internationalism.

Stalin and the "Great Purges"

The growing danger of interimperialist war and the likelihood of imperialist assault on the Soviet Union were setting the stage for what Western scholars call the "great purges" in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Few subjects in modern history are so thoroughly distorted. Once again, there is bourgeois story line. We are told that Stalin was drunk with power and sought absolute power--knocking down any and all who disagreed with him.

But the reality of the situation was that the revolution was confronting new pressures and new challenges. And political struggle intensified within the party and government: over domestic and international policy, including international alliances…over the direction of the revolution…over whether the revolution could even hold out.

We’re told that Stalin was paranoid. But in fact there were real enemies of the revolution. There was real subversion. There were backward social movements in society. There was a real German threat. And in 1934, the second-ranking leader of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, closely associated with Stalin, was assassinated. This was the atmosphere of the times.

In terms of the purges, here I have to state honestly that more research is needed into what exactly was going on in the Soviet Communist Party in the 1930s. But what does seem to be the case is this: as international tensions grew, Stalin and other revolutionary leaders had genuine reason to be concerned about the state of the party and army. There was concern about whether some of the regional party leaders could be depended on to carry out national directives, as society and economy were heading into war.

The revolutionary leadership also had reason to be concerned about the reliability of the high command of the Soviet army. After World War 1, Germany and the Soviet Union had entered into military cooperation agreements. These agreements involved training of officers and transfer of weaponry. There was worry that ties and relationships might have developed between the Soviet military staff and their German counterparts. Could the Soviet generals now be counted on, especially as the Soviet Union was preparing to face off against German imperialism--or would these generals compromise with Germany?

These were some of the circumstances surrounding the purges of top Party and military leaders. Stalin was fighting to defend the revolution. He was not going to allow the Soviet Union to go back to capitalism, or to cave in to imperialism.

But in many ways, Stalin’s understanding of the contradictions and struggles under socialism was flawed. It was marked by mechanical rather than dialectical materialism. And his methods for dealing with the situation had serious problems with adverse consequences.

He relied on purges and police actions to solve problems--rather than mobilizing the masses to take up the burning political and ideological questions on the overall direction of society. Mao was critical of Stalin’s approach and pointed out that Stalin had a tendency to mix up two fundamentally different types of contradictions: the contradiction between the people and the enemy, and contradictions among the people themselves. Repression, which should only have been directed against enemies, was used against people who were not enemies but merely were making mistakes or expressing disagreements with the policy of the government.

Soviet Heroism and the Defeat of Hitler

In June 1941, the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union. They threw the most modern army in the world and most of their military might against the Soviets. Hitler made it clear to his troops that he expected them to discard every principle of humanity in what was to be a war of extermination.

The Soviets fought with incredible heroism--block to block in Stalingrad, in epic tank battles over frozen wastelands. When the Germans invaded, the fact that the Soviet Union had a planned economy made it possible--and this was just within a few weeks--to dismantle 1,500 big factories and transport them to the eastern regions of the Soviet Union.

Over 20 million Soviets lost their lives in World War 2, basically 1 out of 10 in the population. Despite what we are told about D-Day and the landing of U.S. and British troops at Normandy, the real turning point of World War 2 was the Battle of Stalingrad. The Soviets were the main factor and force in Hitler’s defeat. And this would not have been possible without the great determination and sacrifice of the people of the Soviet Union under the leadership of the Communist Party, led by Stalin. This too is one of the great achievements of the Soviet revolution.

The Soviet Union came out of World War 2 militarily victorious. But the revolution was weakened politically and ideologically. Conservative forces and currents had gained strength in the Party, in the government, and in society. After Stalin’s death in 1953, new bourgeois forces within the Communist Party maneuvered to seize power; and in 1956, Khrushchev took over the reins, consolidated the rule of a new capitalist class, and led in systematically restructuring the Soviet Union into a state-capitalist society. This was the end of the first proletarian state.

Putting the Soviet Revolution in Perspective

How do we put the Soviet revolution in perspective? From the sweep of history, the Soviet revolution stands as an earthshaking breakthrough in freeing oppressed humanity. Against great odds, the masses accomplished amazing things. A new world was in the process of being created. And this revolution inspired the oppressed of world. These were the first steps, apart from the short-lived Paris Commune, along the road of emancipation, towards a world free of oppression and exploitation.

But the project of emancipation develops and evolves. Great revolutionary leaders with vision and scientific understanding are able to sum up lessons, develop new understanding, and forge new solutions to the challenge of creating a classless world. Mao Zedong would take the communist project to a whole new place.

From the sounds of what you're saying; and by no way do I not completely believe that you got that from "history", from what I learned in schools, the communists are no different than the nazis; but it sounds like they are attempting to twist Stalin with Prescot Bush, of all people.

Communists(real communists, not phony-commies or revisionist-"capitalist roaders"winking
smiley would never support a fascist regime
quasi Report This Comment
Date: April 12, 2008 04:11PM

I love revisionist history, but then I always prefrered fiction anyway. Nice to know that all those of his countrymen that uncle Joe had killed had it coming.
MSgt. R. Report This Comment
Date: April 12, 2008 08:16PM

Contrary to (un)popular belief, we haven't "won the war" in Iraq, and we're not "making significant progress" there either. You see, these terrorist bastards are very smart. They're simply hiding and biding their time until we leave -- whenever that may be.

Living in a shit-pile of rocks and sand with nothing but religion to keep you going is a great motivator and makes the insurgents and Al Qaeda MUCH more patient than you could even imagine.

By the way, I've actually been there five times between 1991 and 2006. How many times have you guys been over there -- or are you all just talking out of your asses?


MSgt. R.
U.S. Air Force Security Forces Flight Chief
and Former Anti-Terrorism/Counter-Insurgency Adviser for JATAF
(Joint Ankara Turkey Anti-Terrorism Forces)
woberto Report This Comment
Date: April 12, 2008 09:09PM

Fuck off idiot. It's past your bedtime.
jgoins Report This Comment
Date: April 13, 2008 08:15AM

There is some truth to what MSgt. R. is saying. Short of carpet bombing the entire middle east there is not much we can do to defeat these Islamic radicals. They hide until the pressure is off then re-emerge and pick up where they left off. Sooner or later we will be fighting them in our own streets with our own hands. The oceans no longer protect us from attack and radical Islam is growing and they know this. They will even induct our own week minded radicals to their jhad and use them against us. Just get ready, it is coming.