"As usual blah you've gone off on a number of tangents while never even addressing what I said. Let's try this again and I'll spell it out all nice and plain so maybe you can get it this time."

Bullshit Kim. I stated facts pertinent to the discussion. There was no going off on tangents, it was all on topic, and your "as usual" accusation is baseless. If anything I am one of the few people here who actually attempts to stay on topic.

"Name ONE country in the ME where there's a democratic revolution that's ongoing as you stated was the case and I called bullshit on."

Read the news.

"Every "Arab Spring" event that's taken place has indeed included large segments of people wanting democratic changes, yet every such movement has also been subverted by hardline Muslims instead. leading eventually to more empowerment of the Islamic concepts of Sharia governance and nothing truly resembling a republic democracy as you claim to have occurred."

I never made that claim in the first place. I did not claim that any truly democratic government is in place yet over there, I said there are people fighting for that and it is ongoing. That is all I said.

You have no proof of your statement and you couldn't, since the processes are still ongoing.

You equate any Muslim related/associated governance with Sharia extremism and that is not accurate and could not be since we do not yet know how things will unfold. You see the words "Muslim Brotherhood" in the case of Egypt for example and automatically assume it's evil because it is "Muslim" without taking into account what their new democratically elected president is actually doing and saying.

"The religion of Islam also does not recognize women as even equals to men and until that changes there will never be any hope for any type of real democracy in the ME.

The cultures and many of the countries in the ME are hundreds if not thousands of years older than our own and there is still not even one that recognizes all people as equal."

In your mind anything Muslim equals Sharia law and inequality. You know next to nothing, if anything at all, about Islam, and it is evident in your baseless bigotry. Islam in the Koran is no more patriarchal than Judaism or Christianity is in the Bible. You talk about things you have no knowledge of as though you are an expert. I admit I am no expert but I have researched things and do have some knowledge about the things I say.

Again you have no historical timeline reference. Islamic cultures are NOT thousands of years old and very much younger than Christianity and Judaism, and NONE of them in practice recognize that all people are equal either. Prior to the emergence of these religions we shared many things in common culturally. If you are referring to American culture that is a laugh. America is a mush-mash of cultures.

"Like I said before, Muslims do not want democracy"

Well that is certainly quite the opposite of what many Muslims are saying and fighting for. I think we will just have to wait and see what happens.

I support their efforts toward equality and democratic rule. I think you have blinders on. You refuse to see reason and facts. I don't support Muslim bigotry anymore than I support American bigotry.