GAK, if you can 1st prove that there is indeed a god you'll have made history as this has yet to have been done, Simply claiming that one has faith in something and hence belief, does not make that claim factual.

My overarching point in this discussion is that by all logical analysis belief in any god itself is nothing more than a theory,and as such is not factual at all, and that ... if believers were truly honest with themselves and others they should openly admit this since no concrete evidence can be presented that makes their claims any more plausible than the theories common in the areas of philosophy, science or even mathematics