Thanks for the congrats GAK. Seems some of the contortions I take the language through from time to time have interesting results when viewed in the context of grammar and word structure. I studied our language thoroughly so I could murder it properly for fun later

Circuitous or otherwise, it seems the question still remains unanswered. Given Christian theists purportions (<-jeez, score me another one), are atheists simply some cosmic joke cruelly perpetrated by their god with an assuredly nasty outcome determined even prior to their births?

To 'berto: Just for shitz and giggles I threw the above post into a word processor and found it just shy of 2 pages. While instructions for the current crop of common cell phones or service providers documentation more closely resemble small books, and though anything I might pen hardly ascribes to such lofty flights of journalistic integrity or import, the choice to read either is certainly individualistic.

In penning more thoughts here's another to slip under your cap: The passionate search for what is truth is long and arduous, requiring purpose, intent and thought, indeed, complete lifetimes can and have been spent in seeking the definitive answer regarding a single sentence on one subject or another.

Conversely, sittin in the cheap seats on the sidelines and whining about efforts required in such searches are actions I'd expect from those much less wise and literate than I've always thought you to be

And onto JG: I ain't tryin to convert anyone, that's never my point. I only seek understanding as well as the same for others. My long held position is most theists swallow the bait and hook of religion far too easily, never even taking the time to fully inspect the basis of which, much less putting any real thought behind the very constructs overall validity while still wholeheartedly proclaiming it as truth. While asking people of faith to actually look beneath the surface of their beliefs and see if there's anything truly provable to be found there is akin to draggin a mule up a ladder, I still feel the arduous nature of such a quest is worthwhile.

There's a helluva lot more bullshit in the world than there is truth. More truth is always a welcome thing. BS? I'll pass .... thanks, but we have plenty enough to go around already