Mrkim, you are right that it is a circuitous argument so I am not going to try and keep the wheel spinning.

The only things I want to say in response to your post are in response to 2 of the 4 common arguments threads you have come across. Anybody that has used 1 or 4 is simply deluded, wrong and, in my experience, in the minority. The christian teaching is that none of us can live a completely moral life, ie. we all make mistakes/wrong decisions, but to say somebody cannot live a mostly moral life without a belief in god is not postulated. As for science being flawed, I have never heard anybody say that before, and if I did I would probably start laughing.

I also want to say that I have come across people that claim evolution as an absolute truth.

Congrats on the new word