My whole entire point is you want me to reason with you and explain God to you.

Not at all Lexx. What I asked was which god you have a relationship with, how you are sure of the one you believe it to be and what makes you certain of that choice as the absolute right one in the face of all other religons?


I am telling you that I can't do that because not only do I not fully understand God myself, NO ONE is even capable of understanding God. It's so impossible that God is the only one that can understand himself if that makes any sense to you.

I'm not too sure of the validity of the above statements Lexx. I mean, you can turn on the idiot box this mornin and find lots of folks claiming to have a complete understanding of the concept of "god" and I doubt from our conversations that you are of a lesser intellectual capacity than those cats. The biggest difference that comes to mind between you and them is that you haven't asked me for any $$$$.

The whole "no one can understand god" deal is so smoke and mirrorish it isn't even humorous. But, it certainly serves religious pundits well in trying to convince folks of that and then telling them they must have "faith" since it's all so above their capabilities and then BTW .... put some $$ in the tray so we can continue our work "spreading the faith".



Accuse me of not walking the walk and being mean and not "Christ like". You do NOT know me or my motivations. You do NOT seem to know your Bible or how God and Christians really are supposed to behave, only how you think they are supposed to behave and you refuse to study it with me and dimiss it outright as a book of myths.

Read how Jesus when he went into the temple, shouted and verbally abused the people selling things and exploiting a Holy place to make money. How Jesus turned over their tables, released their birds and very nearly (he may have for all we know) beat them up and kicked their asses for it.

Nope, I don't know you or your motivations, that's what this whole thing has been about, attempting to do so, which you've yet to have really shared much of importance, just spouted scripture and given me biblical tales to attempt to prove some point that would be best served by just simply speaking from your head instead of all this mumbo-jumbo.

Yakno Lexx, this Jesus dude you speak of must have had some serious impact socially and historically with all the miracles he performed in his life time, then raising all the hub-bub when he was cricified and most assuredly the rising from the grave and ascending into heaven part of his act, so how about finding me an account of this cat ever having even lived at all. I mean, historians throughout time have recorded mentions of important people and events in efforts to make records of such things for future generations so see what you can come up with historically that will lend creedence to your contention that he lived in that time at all.


Read the end of the book of Job where God got so sick of Job questioning him that God came down in a pillar of smoke and fire, with the 2 of largest meanest and most terrifying dinosaurs (Behemoth and Leviathan) he ever created one on each side and God said to Job what God would have me tell you. It is not mean spirited, it is not in anger, and it is not meant to be harsh and cut you down but I don't see you recieving it any other way.

Dinosaurs? Nah man, you're really gettin all fouled up here now dude, Christians don't believe in dinosaurs. I mean their bones were only placed here to tempt our faith yakno, I mean so I've heard and read from several Christian accounts of such things anyway, even directly in the face of scientific documentation far to the contrary that only serves to make these people out to be absolute lunatics if observed from the context of a logical scientific mindset.

Who are you to question God? Were you there when he created the Heavens and the Earth? Were you there when God walked with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden? Were you there when God cast Satan out of Heaven and created Hell? Were you there when Adam and Eve were banished from Eden and it was guarding by a huge Angel carrying a flaming sword to make sure they never got back in?

Who am I to question god you ask? The simple answer is "just me". The more complicated discussion is a free thinking human taught early on in life to accept nothing and question all things and seek reasonable and logical answers devoid of emotional blatherings and BS, that's who.

BTW, unless you're really, really old, I mean older than is possible by we humans from we we know today, I can't see that you were in heaven or the garden you speak of either, so what's your point in having simply regurgitated more of the scriptures in attempting to prove a point that's totally improvable in this way?

There is a difference between anger and righteous indignation. There is a difference between cutting someone down and being condescending and simply putting them in their place. Judge me if you want to but be thankful I am not the one who gets to judge you!

There is a difference between anger and self righteous indignation. There is a difference between cutting someone down and being condescending and simply putting them in the place I feel they belong. <- I think I'll go along with the changes I made to your statements, though not exactly with what you stated.

BTW, I'm not judging you at all, and yes I am indeed thankful you are not judging me, you hard line Christians scare the shit outta me!

So to get back on the topic of the picture at hand, before I get flamed even more. No you cannot read the mind of God, we aren't capable of even comming close to understanding God completely. But he does love us and we can create a deeply spiritual close personal relationship with God through accepting his Son.

Sheesh man, this smoke and mirrors stuff really has a solid hold on you dudn it? And wait, we can have a close personal relationship, but we gotta accept his son as part of the deal too? Now you sound like you're quoting from a singles site profile. Aw man, this is seriously goin down hill now.


I don't hate you Mr. Kim, but I don't really like you much right now either. Not liking some of what you say doesn't keep me from loving you though. Loving you enough to warn you and make an attempt (no matter how futile) to try and save you from eternal seperation from God. A fate so horrendous no one should have to endure it!

Not hating me is good, I mean, hell, I don't hate you either. One big difference between us though is that your comments don't even have any impact on whether I like you or not, they are totally irrelevant in that capacity to me. I have lots of religous friends. Their spiritual leanings have no bearing in my mind in regards to their friendship, and just because I'm not in their club or go to their meetings with 'em, they still hold to be MY friends, so ...

All in all Lexx, I'll play my hand and take my chances on this whole eternal damnation/horrendous fate deal for my lack of acceptance of anything that can't be logically proven and instead states you must put reason, logic and science aside and just have faith instead.

"Faith" was problee about the best album George Michael ever made, "Father Figure"'s my fave from that one, but putting faith in some imaginary father figure is just waaay too much to ask of me buddy