jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 14, 2016 11:14AM
At least Trump can say radical Islam.
Robert Reynolds Report This Comment Date: June 14, 2016 01:45PM
Turned out the guy was a closet gay who attended Pulse nightclub on several
occasions and was secretly having sex with another man.
He wasn't a radical Islamist, nor a radical anything. He was a mentally unstable
human being who was allowed to purchase firearms.
He had nothing to do with isil or any other terror group.
So for trump to get on the anti Islam band wagon again just shows the world that
he is
most probably more of a threat to the US and other countries than all these
terror groups put together.
He is definitely not fit to rule a nation - any nation.
I've been very critical of the NRA for many years but this is one occasion where
I must admit that
"one slipped through the net" and agree with Rubio's comment that the
gun wasn't the problem here, the human holding the gun was the problem.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: June 14, 2016 10:56PM
The gun is never the problem, any more than cars are killers, they're both
inanimate objects/tools of humanity.
Did you miss the part where this worthless piece of humanity was a mooslime,
misogynistic head case POS who was allowed to continue in his livelihood BECAUSE
he was a mooslime? The US, under Obozo, has made mooslims a protected class
(what a surprise, huh?), even when it's all too obvious to the sane among us
that this is absolutely a fallacious concept.
Does it not seem odd how the ones who continue perpetrating the most savage acts
upon their fellow humans all seem to share the same complexion and/or
political/ideological/religious philosophy?
Just keep blamin Trump, it's what your masters prefer you to do, and .... it
takes a lot fewer brain cells than thinking for yourself.
One last comment though, if you think I'm a Trumper, best think again. My man
already lost
I've said it before but figure it bears repeating .... if we could all wake up
tomorrow and all traces of religion had magically disappeared from the face of
the earth, we'd all be the better for it. Religion has done more to fuck over
humanity than any thing else or even everything else combined!
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 15, 2016 11:44AM
It does not matter what gunman's sexual leanings are. It is known he yelled
Allah Akbar while he was shooting and he even called 911 and told them he
supports Isis and their leader and what he is doing is for them. That alone is
enough for most sane people to say it is radical Islam. All radical Islamist
are deranged nut-jobs.
We need someone to use our entire military might to destroy Isis' command and
control and every pocket of them found anywhere in the world. So far Trump is
the only one talking about doing that. As I have said on this site for many
years political correctness will get us killed and it seems to be coming true.
We do need a temporary ban on Muslim immigrants to this country until there is a
better way to vet them to assure they are not radical terrorists which is what
Trump is proposing. Stop listening to mainstream media only and hear both sides
of the issues then make up your own mind. If you think we are safer now under
Odamna's rule nothing will change your mind unless the next attack, and there
will be another attack, is in your neighborhood.
The guns are never the problem. The problem I see is news people characterizing
the AR 15 as an automatic weapon. It is not, it is a semi automatic one trigger
pull one shot an automatic can empty the mag with one trigger pull. Our current
gun laws do not allow anyone to buy fully automatic weapons without paperwork,
lots of rules and close scrutiny. Another problem we have is all the gun free
zones around the country. Those signs tell all the nut-jobs and terrorist that
there will be nobody there who can stop their shooting spree until the cops
arrive.
Gun free zones = free shooting gallery
woberto Report This Comment Date: June 16, 2016 12:51AM
Yawn. Not this again.
Restricting availability to bolt action rifles & double barrel shotguns
would be a good idea.
But for he next 20 years or more there will still be millions of semi & full
auto rifles out there that the restrictions would seem pointless.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: June 16, 2016 02:22AM
So long as there are those among us willing to subvert the rights enumerated in
our Constitution regarding the unencumbered right of all citizens to gun
ownership there will always be those among us who will cling to the the rule of
law ... deal with it.
World history paints a pretty bleak picture of what follows once a government
bans gun ownership rights to its citizens, while not similarly banning such
rights by the government itself. It's my sincere hope such a similar fate
doesn't befall you cats down under, but if it does I'll damned well jump on the
"I fuckin toldya so" bandwagon afterwards.
'Course since it won't really matter, much less change the fact you defenseless
Ozzycats will be totally at their mercy at that point, it will be a hollow
victory for making my point ... so all I'll really be able to say is, Oh Well
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woberto Report This Comment Date: June 16, 2016 04:15AM
Whoah peace man.
Everybody loves Australia, we have nothing to fear except capitalism itself.
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 16, 2016 12:38PM
Welp, in the absence of the government taking totalitarian control of the
country, I will say I'm extremely happy with the fact we don't have permissive
gun laws here. You can still get a gun, by the way; my brother in law has 2, my
father in law the same - but they're registered, mandated in a locked cabinet
and also in use in the countryside, not in the city, and they're rifles not
semi/fully automatic military style weapons. Pretty difficult to sneak a 4 foot
long rifle into a night club, and even harder to kill 50 people with it.
Sure, I fully accept that criminals can still get guns and all the standard
pro-gun arguments that are made by the NRA types; at least it means every other
cunt around doesn't have one. The chances of me being robbed or shot at gun
point is spectacularly low compared to a place where everybody has access to a
gun. Even if they were completely legal and I could go and buy one tomorrow, I
still wouldn't own one.
Probably a good thing too, over the years I reckon I'd have shot a couple of my
neighbours if I could've.
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people; guns are just a tool" -
True, but it's a shitload harder to kill 50 people with a hammer.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 16, 2016 12:52PM
We already have laws and restriction against full and switchable automatic
weapons. The average law abiding citizen cannot buy mortars, grenades or 50
caliber machine guns but with enough money criminals and terrorist can get them
and no amount of new laws will stop that. Who in the world obeys laws? The
average citizen does. What laws do the criminals and terrorists obey? None
with the exception of terrorists who only care about Sharia law. In a nation of
laws the average citizen tries to obey them and will not go around killing
people but those individuals who are inclined to kill no laws will stop
them.
The narrative should not be about gun control it should be about terrorists and
their eradication. The entire world should be involved in bombing the homes of
the radical groups back to the stone age. Start with Syria, Libya, Iraq,
Afghanistan and Iran maybe by then the rest of the middle east will stop their
infestation before it gets started.
Yesterday I saw a backpack sitting on the side of the road unattended, called
the cops and waited the 10 minutes it took them to respond. It turn out to be
full of dirty diapers but it could have been worse. This showed me many things.
Some of which are.
1. Our police cannot respond any faster.
2. Our police do not take the possibility of terrorist bombs seriously as he
just walked up and unzipped it.
3. In the length of time it must have been sitting there nobody reported it but
me.
I understand our little town is way down on the terrorists strike list but in my
experience towns like this are the definition of soft targets.
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 16, 2016 01:53PM
Well shit, I stand corrected, you can't even buy a 50 caliber machine gun?
What on earth do you have on top of your APC?
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: June 17, 2016 12:16AM
Not on top of my APC, but one of 'em keeps the 'puter, router and hard drive
cradle loaded while the other one makes sure the Tv and receiver stay well
juiced up
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 17, 2016 11:41AM
Now an APC we can buy, we can even buy tanks and artillery but all the weapons
have to be demilitarized (made unusable).
I have owned many guns in my life and none of them have ever killed anyone on
their own. They have set on my end table or in my holster and none have ever
gone off on their own. The guns aren't the issue it is the person holding it.
There are some who just want to take guns away from everyone and will use any
excuse to try and do that. Some people would rather do that than try and fix
the bigger issues involved because the guns seem easier than trying to defeat
terrorism or deal with mental instability.
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 17, 2016 10:54PM
Sure thing. But the fact that the mentally unstable have ready access to guns
sure makes shit a lot easier.
I'm not disagreeing with you that guns don't kill people on their own. I'm also
not disagreeing that you seem rational enough and probably aren't going to go on
a murderous rampage.
What I am saying is that if you snap one day, and have access to your guns, it
sure would be easy to do a lot of damage; whereas if you didn't have the guns,
it would be a lot harder. Everybody has a breaking point and not everybody is a
religious nutter (the vast majority of US shootings are not Muslim terrorists
but one of your own).
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 18, 2016 12:16PM
If I were to snap I would more likely use my car to drive into crowds like it
was a zombie hoard. If guns were removed from the equation somehow cars and
trucks would likely be used most likely packed with explosives.
In our politically correct society we are not allowed to point out people who
are mentally unstable and our medical field can't figure out how to help them.
The only thing our government can do is pass laws that have no affect on
criminals or terrorist. Their laws only try to prevent us from protecting
ourselves and do nothing to prevent crimes or stop terrorist attacks.
Robert Reynolds Report This Comment Date: June 18, 2016 12:44PM
Yep, yep. I get all that. But the dude was yelling out muslim rants and called
911 because he was unstable.
He was claiming something he wasn't because of his mental condition.
He wasn't from isil - same as that other crazy fucker in the Sydney siege.
AND authorities had the chance plus the legal power to lock up both of them but
didn't. Thus the end result is more innocent lives lost.
So this ends up being yet another subject that could be debated for years. There
are many solutions but none are absolute.
As previously mentioned above, if you remove the guns, they will start killing
with cars, remove the cars they will revert back to knives, remove the
knives
and I won't have anything to cut my steak with..........
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 18, 2016 01:06PM
At least cars and knives have other, useful and practical purposes.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 19, 2016 11:21AM
Guns have other purposes too. Many people like target shooting and hunting,
it's not just about killing people, it's also about protection and being able to
survive the time it takes police to arrive. In many places it could take the
cops as much as 45 minutes to get there after called. I would much rather wait
the 10 to 45 minutes for the police with the dead body of a home invader in my
living room then to be at their mercy that length of time. There is even a
legitimate use for ar15s. Our constitution provides for the possibility a
civilian force to stand up against a tyrannical government and that can't be
done without guns at least almost equal to theirs. It has happened in the past
around the world and can happen anywhere anytime.
The killer in Orlando was of the Muslim faith, he might have been unstable but
that does not change the fact he followed and supported Issis. Do not excuse
persons actions because he might be unstable. In my opinion all terrorist are
unstable mentally and that doesn't mean we shouldn't deal with them violently
and with prejudice.
Robert Reynolds Report This Comment Date: June 19, 2016 01:25PM
Yes, guns have a purpose too........I forgot to mention, if they removed the
knives, I wouldn't be able to cut my steak which I got
from the cow that I killed with my gun which I bought from a farmer down the
road who didn't have a licence for it
so I didn't bother registering it either and left it in the barn where my 15
year old son found it and thought it was a good idea
to take it to school and blow away the the bullies who were picking on him only
to have the bullies parents come around to my house
with guns of their own and kill my wife while I was at work, where I'm a
mechanic that fixes semi trailers for a transport company
who ship goods to retail outlets, such as munitions and hunting gear to Kill
Mart, Walmart, Murder Mart and Mc Donalds
.............and the beat goes on...................the beat goes
on............................
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: June 19, 2016 04:18PM
Nice Sonny and Cher reference. Spent lotsa time fantasizing 'bout Cher in my
younger days
Don't care one whit that you could manage to have an unlicensed weapon since
constitutionally that's the way it was meant to be. However, in your scenario
you did fail to limit others access to it, which is a personal responsibility
issue as would be the idea that your progeny would feel righteous in killing a
bully, meaning you'd failed as a parent on 2 fronts.
In a seemingly other lifetime at the age of 7 I took my (unloaded) pistola to
school for Show and Tell. No one freaked out or called the cops, nor was the
school principal even notified. I was allowed to display it for everyone and no
one screamed, cried or cowered in the corner. I got to tell them about my
grandfather having given it to me when I turned 6 and my step dad and I having
gone over weapon safety as a prelude to my ever shooting it.
Having owned guns for 54 years now I've yet to have even once pointed one at
another human and hope I never need to. My feelings are that I grew up in a much
more moral society than the one we have now. People were taught and mostly
practised the concept of personal responsibility. There weren't millions of
people with their hands out expecting everyone else to take care of them, our
shores had yet to have been flooded with millions of illegals and at least a
goodly percentage of the mentally unstable were locked away from society.
Press the fast forward button to today and we have convinced a huge segment of
society that living on the dole is an acceptable method of getting along,
illegals are not only rarely dealt with but are even allowed to openly profess
their illegality with no logical recourse for those actions ever occurring and
wackos are thrown to the curb, left to poison society with their insanity and
acts.
Seems like we're living in Bizarro World straight outta a 60s vintage Superman
comic book
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 20, 2016 04:32AM
So what I'm hearing Kim is that times have changed and things aren't the way
they used to be, and maybe we should be looking at a different way of doing
things?
That applies to attitudes of everything.
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Robert Reynolds Report This Comment Date: June 20, 2016 05:02AM
Yes, point taken Kim.
I too had taken a Japanese bayonet to school for show and tell
which my dad brought back from New Guinea in WWII and no one questioned it
either.
How times have changed eh?
It's great to discuss / debate these issues here, just wish there were a
"one fix" solution.........
Though I'm pretty much resigned to the fact now that there will never be
one.
Although some people today show anger towards the bombing of Hiroshima and
Nagasaki,
they are quick to forget that the Japanese at that time, were never going to
stop killing till they had
captured and killed everyone in the Pacific, which still makes me think
(quietly) that what they did and were continuing to do
should of warranted a third bomb to be dropped right in the heart of Tokyo.
The moral being, sometimes drastic measures need to be taken to stop such
scourge.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 20, 2016 11:17AM
Instead of trying to take guns away from law abiding citizens we need to be
eradicating radical Islam from around the world. We don't need to use nuclear
weapons on them like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we can effectively kill them with
conventional bombs. Bomb the shit out of them everywhere they live without
regard to collateral damage. "Oh no what about the innocent people around
them?" The radicals don't care about them or they wouldn't hide among
them. The "innocent people" might not be so innocent or they would
join all the refugees elsewhere. Bomb the areas back to the stone age and don't
build it back. Do this enough and they will not be able to spread their crap
around the world.
Don't worry about the ones already in the west handle them whenever they pop up.
If there were trained people in the night club legally carrying guns maybe the
death toll would have been lower. Imagine if he started shooting and a dozen
people around him fired back. Maybe when we go to clubs we should have our
designated drivers also be designated carrier. Does anyone ever wonder why
these shootings happen in gun free zones or in cities and countries with strict
gun control? These areas assure the killer there will be no resistance to them.
Robert Reynolds Report This Comment Date: June 20, 2016 06:22PM
Too many do gooders Jgoins......
Thought of that idea myself but you would have every human rights group
on the planet protesting about the slaughter of "innocent bystanders"
but I'm with you.
I believe that some of them are being paid to act as human shields, for
sure.
Otherwise they would of starved to death a long time ago. You can't stay alive
eating your own turds.
However, the whole scenario is so complex that I can't help the old conspiracy
theories from creeping in now and then.........
The US don't mind a war to keep the economy going eh?
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 21, 2016 12:35PM
It may seem insensitive to indiscriminately bomb heavily a city that Isis has
taken over but it will need to be done to cut off their command and control. If
a location they are occupying is destroyed along with all structures they will
not be able to coordinate their fighters anywhere else. After the buildings are
reduced to rubble then we can send in ground troops to mop up. If this is done
to Syria then maybe other countries in the region will finally decide to destroy
Isis in there countries so we don't have to destroy them so completely. Most
likely we would have to destroy cities in Iraq also to show that we mean
business. The only way to eliminate radical Islamic terrorists in the world is
to kill them, they cannot be negotiated with through diplomacy, the only thing
they want is to bring death to all who don't believe as they do. What I thought
should be done years ago about turning the entire region to a sheet of glass is
not feasible because of radioactive fallout for the world. The same thing can
be accomplished with normal bombs and we can produce enough of them to reduce
the areas to rubble, maybe not a sheet of glass but massive rubble.
Robert Reynolds Report This Comment Date: June 23, 2016 01:14PM
Yep, I hear you J but to pass a bill like that in the White House would simply
never happen.
Doesn't matter if it was O'damna, Trumpet or Bill's wife. It would never get
through unless
Isil made a similar attack on US soil - which could well happen unless they do
what you suggested in the first place!
So talk about a merry-go-round. Think I'll crack another beer :-)
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 24, 2016 11:32AM
That kind of action will never happen because of political correctness and I am
afraid it won't happen even if we get a worse attack on US soil with thousands
dead which may well come. Because of political correctness we care too much
about innocent lives but in this world today it is getting harder to tell who is
innocent and that is why radical Islam is being allowed to flourish. When the
terrorists attack they don't consider anyone as innocent and don't care who they
kill so why should we?
What the.. Report This Comment Date: June 28, 2016 01:16AM
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www.theage.com.au]
Look at all the neighbours use their guns to defend.
Thank God she had 10 guns
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 28, 2016 12:08PM
There is no explaining what happened here but taking guns away from everyone is
not the answer. Deaths like this are just a small percentage you just hear
about them more now because the media is complicit with the gun grabbers. Just
because this woman supported the second amendment does not mean the amendment
should be abolished. The average gun owner will do everything in their power to
not use there gun to kill. I like so many other people who carry all the time
will walk away from a fight and arguments so as not to escalate them but if a
shooting should occur around us will run towards the gun fire to protect others.
It is possible for anyone to snap and go "postal' and kill someone but
that have would be less than 1 percent. Maybe science should develop armed
robots for home and public defense, wait, no "Terminator".
What will you do in Australia if your political leader decides to become a
dictator like Hitler? Would you as a people be able to institute a resistance
like they did in Europe during Hitler's regime? I think we might be able to
here in the US because there are so many guns available.
The average response time between dialing 911 and the police arriving in this
area is 15 minutes in other cities it's as long as 45 minutes. So one is on
their own for that length of time. Try to find out how long it is in your area
and see if you feel safe in your home. Buy a police scanner and just listen to
the calls that are happening around you all the time unless you believe
"ignorance is bliss".
woberto Report This Comment Date: June 29, 2016 04:25AM
JG you are really showing your age. But I like to hear your opinions.
What do you think if the Florida 10-20-Life laws were made national?
Quoth the
Wiki
Would it make you feel safer?
Would it make wannabe thugs think twice?
I am not talking about any right to own, carry, conceal or stand your ground. I
am just talking about a deterrent for criminals.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 30, 2016 12:01PM
"Florida 10-20-Life laws"
"Would it make you feel safer?"
No, more highly trained police officers and quicker response times might.
"Would it make wannabe thugs think twice?"
No, I really don't think people about to commit a crime with a gun believe they
will ever be caught. I don't think they consult a lawyer before committing
their crimes.
"I am not talking about any right to own, carry, conceal or stand your
ground. I am just talking about a deterrent for criminals."
I believe the above will be a major deterrent for criminals. If more people
were allowed to carry guns anywhere anytime with no gun free zones then it would
be much more difficult for them to control the situation to their satisfaction
so even just lowly criminals would look for soft targets just like the
terrorists do. If we would stop creating soft targets it would reduce crime as
well as reducing places terrorist could hit us. Basically making it legal for
all adult non felons to carry a weapon open or concealed by no longer making the
simple act of possession a crime. Think about it, if a criminal can't be sure
that only the security guards in a bank were armed would they not move on to
another target? Why do criminals not take on police stations? It is not
because of all the badges, it is because of all the people with guns. Common
sense would tell you that the terrorist have been doing their mass shootings in
"gun free zones" and using their suicide bombers for harder targets
like airports.
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 30, 2016 02:12PM
Quote
Think about
it, if a criminal can't be sure that only the security guards in a bank were
armed would they not move on to another target? Why do criminals not take on
police stations?
I'm really sorry, but these are two really stupid statements.
1) If I'm in a bank, and it's getting robbed, I'm doing nothing but what the
robbers say unless they're actively going to hurt me. They're very unlikely to
hurt me if I'm doing what they say, and I'm sure as fuck not going to defend the
bank's insured money (incidentally, bank robberies are practically unheard of
here - and hey we don't have guns AND bank branches are NOT guarded by anybody,
let alone armed guards)
2) Police stations are not robbed because how stupid would you have to be?
Seriously? Besides which there's nothing to steal; certainly nothing not under a
heavy vault. Risk vs reward.
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 30, 2016 02:16PM
I also note you completely skipped over whoever's earlier post that was about
mass shootings in the US; you've basically never had a terrorist mass shooting
(yes I know one last year; but that's quite a list, all of which were done by
your countrymen with accessible guns).
Anyway, it's a pointless topic. You're completely one eyed on the subject, and
you'll never get me to agree that the huge amount of cunts that are around
should have access to a gun.
More on topic, the thing that amazes me is the absolute circus sideshow the US
presidential race is. We're a day out from our Federal election (prime minister
voting time) and realistically it's only picked up pace in the news here in the
last couple of weeks. Your US shit runs basically for years, I can't believe any
of you can tolerate it.
woberto Report This Comment Date: July 01, 2016 03:06AM
I feel that I may donkey vote for the first time. I know that won't help the
legislature but I am having a hard time getting through the BS this year.
I cannot vote for Labor because I can name at least 10 leading figures that
should be in gaol as we speak. Some are running and some are only in the caucus.
Plus what they did under Rudd & Juliar can never be forgiven and my bank
balance may never recover.
I cannot vote Liberal because they have lost their dignity by ousting Abbott and
thus becoming exactly like the Labor party of the last decade (and I am very
pro-Liberal since 2000). I can't say I am an Abbott fan but it is still
unacceptable to me. I did not vote for Malcolm and I will not vote for
Malcolm.
So voting for the House of Rep's will be fun for me.
Voting for the Senate is fucked up this year, having to number 1-6 is astounding
stoopid. I cannot even name 6 senators in the whole country so how can I
honestly decide that?
pulse Report This Comment Date: July 01, 2016 06:37AM
Yeah I can't believe they've changed it to be so confusing. It used to be easy;
1 above the line, or all below the line.
Not vote 1-6 above the line or a random number below the line, less than 23 but
more than 46 unless it's a leap year and the phase of the moon is waxing in
which it's 3.41 below the line and 6 above the line or.. whatever the fuck. I
have no idea.
I'm with you on the rest of it; I've always been a Liberal voter; not a massive
fan, but just seems the lesser of 2 evils to me.. but all the shit they gave
Labor about Rudd/Gillard, Gillard/Rudd swaps, then their first term in power did
exactly the same thing.. Don't get me wrong, Abbott was a cocksmack, but if they
wanted to replace him it should've been with Turnbull going into the election
replacing Abbott as a "fresh start", not the way it was done.
I'm fully with you on Labor being in gaol, and the whole late '00s complete crap
that Labour brought in (pink batts, school cash scam pissing away our entire
"future fund" with free $900 for everybody except me, whatever); but
also completely pissed at what Liberals have done to the NBN.
I have no clear preference one way or the other in this one. I'm sure Labor will
tax harder and generally be incompetent and I'm sure Liberal will fuck up what I
care about, and when they win this election they'll use it as justification for
all the wrong they've done.
It's almost as bad here as the US, but not to the extremes. We don't have
Clinton/Trump, which I'd rather eat my own feces than vote for either of them;
but that said, the choice between Turnbull and Shorten...
Sometimes compulsory voting just annoys me. How on earth did it come to this?
jgoins Report This Comment Date: July 01, 2016 11:18AM
I would never attempt to change your minds down under about guns, if it works
for you then fine. We have constitutional protections here and they should all
be protected. I also choose to believe that the vast majority of people,
Americans at least, are not cunts and are responsible enough to safely carry
weapons. As far as the mass shootings we had in this country being done by US
citizens it doesn't matter, they were still Isis related or directed and
committed by radicals of the Islamic faith. It does not matter if they got the
weapons legally or not, in this country our rights and privileges remain until
we do something to have them removed like commit a crime. We should never take
rights away from anyone just because they might commit a crime at some time in
the future. Should we take away someone's right to free speech because they may
say something in the future that would hurt someone's feelings? Why should
everyone in the country be forbidden from purchasing a firearm just because some
minority of people use them in crimes or mass shootings? I am ok with anyone
who has not been convicted of a felony and of legal age being able to buy a gun
and even carry that gun as long as I am able to do so as well. The issues
should never be about the implement used to kill someone it should be about what
caused that person to commit the act. The reason some people blame the guns is
because it is easier to do that than to take on the actual cause of the action
like religious terrorism or psychosis or alcoholism or whatever drove the person
to do it.
Our election process seems to be very important to the media which is why it is
such a spectacle and yes we do get tired of it and all the media's bias in their
reporting. This year is worse probably because of all the "firsts"
and all the vitriol both candidates engender.
Robert Reynolds Report This Comment Date: July 01, 2016 04:58PM
And just to answer a previous question Jgoins asked,
about what we in Australia would do if our leader decide to turn rogue?
The answer is to vote him out in our general election which
HAPPENS TODAY!!!@!! Sat July 2nd!
That's right fellow Aussies we go to the polls today so be sure to vote
those liberal cunts out of power - because they are nazi's in disguise.
Vote Labor, don't give the greens or the independents your preferences
because they cannot gain enough power on their own to make the necessary changes
needed in this country
to save us from those blundering liberal fools.
pulse Report This Comment Date: July 01, 2016 11:37PM
Just done our mandatory task. The queue only took 30 mins this time which is
better than previous years.. probably because i went earlier today. The line was
building as we left.
Waste of time though. Giant douche or turd sandwich
jgoins Report This Comment Date: July 02, 2016 11:19AM
"And just to answer a previous question Jgoins asked,
about what we in Australia would do if our leader decide to turn rogue?
The answer is to vote him out in our general election which
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I believe the crux of the question was what would you do if your leader turned
dictator and refused to leave office? Voting him out just wouldn't cut it. I
am pretty sure the German people in the 1940's wanted to vote Hitler out at some
point.
Robert Reynolds Report This Comment Date: July 03, 2016 12:26PM
Well we almost voted him out, it's currently a hung parliament - neck and
neck!
No one was actually expecting this to happen but it tells you something about
our current
leaders popularity. To somewhat reply to your question Jgoins, I think you
guys
would have more of a problem if Trump got into office - fucked up and was told
to leave;
Because you can bet top dollar, he wouldn't.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: July 04, 2016 11:28AM
He can't fuck up any worse than Odamna has. Our country is so screwed up right
now that anyone trying to go in the opposite direction can only help it. I want
to see what happens when he tries to do some of the more difficult things he and
many of us would like to see happen. I know some of the things just won't get
support of congress like the anti illegal stuff but then we will be able to see
exactly who is in favor of open borders and against security.
In order for us to remove a sitting president from office he has to be impeached
by congress for an impeachable offense. Bill Clinton was impeached successfully
by congress but was not asked to step down. There have only been 2 presidents
impeached Clinton and Andrew Johnson and neither were removed from office. [
uspolitics.about.com]
There are those in the US who believe Odamna will try to become a dictator and
not leave office after January 1 and will become a dictator. I personally don't
think that will happen until they are able to take away all our guns. I don't
know about Australia but our presidents are only allowed to serve 2 terms for a
total of 8 years and must be elected both terms. If a sitting president refuses
to leave office and somehow has support of the military it will be next to
impossible to remove him without an armed revolt.
pulse Report This Comment Date: July 04, 2016 12:58PM
Never underestimate the power of stupid. I know you think things can't get any
worse, but that's a seriously misguided view. It can ALWAYS get worse, and as an
added bonus I think both of your choices are worse.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: July 05, 2016 11:10AM
I don't agree about both choices being worse but even if they were that's what
we have. I prefer to choose the one who wants to take our country in the
opposite direction we are headed now.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: July 06, 2016 11:45AM
I do believe our elections are possibly rigged in some way just like the FBI
investigation was fixed in favor of Clinton from the get go. I only hope that
the vast majority of voters will swing in one direction and the electoral
college will not come into play this year. If one candidate wins an
overwhelming majority of popular votes then none of the shadier looking
electoral college stuff won't matter. I really wish there was a better more
secure way of voting so that everyone would be sure that their votes count.
Until then we are stuck with what we have.
pulse Report This Comment Date: July 07, 2016 03:03AM
I can't stand preferential voting.
We primarily have 3 parties to vote for in the area where I live; Liberal,
Labour and the Greens.
Results for these 3 are:
GUEST, Owen - Liberal - 25,234 votes (41.17%)
DANBY, Michael - Australian Labor Party - 16,718 votes (27.27%)
HODGINS-MAY, Steph - The Greens - 15,167 votes (24.74%)
Those 3 together are 93.18% of the primary vote.
So of course Michael Danby has been re-elected, because the Greens gave second
preferences to Labour.
So the guy with 41% of the vote on his own compared to 27 and 24% loses because
they did a deal with each other. It's complete horse shit.
I don't care which party/nominee wins, but do it by majority (or have the first
preference votes be worth like 10x the second preferences).
jgoins Report This Comment Date: July 07, 2016 11:43AM
I do agree with you that elections should only be based on majority rule.
Whoever gets the majority of the people's votes should be the winner. I really
wish there could be a more convenient method for us to vote than going to the
poles and casting my vote. I understand that voting by phone would not be
secure enough for the election but neither is the method we currently use. With
all the brain power in the world we should be able to come up with a better
method.
woberto Report This Comment Date: July 07, 2016 10:50PM
Some choice comments from the previous election...
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Also, in other news...
"Budgie smugglers have been given the Oxford English Dictionary’s seal of
approval... and we can probably thank Tony Abbott. The Australian term used
since the 1980s to refer to close-fitting swimming trunks, preferred by the
former PM, is featured in the latest update of the respected dictionary."
woberto Report This Comment Date: July 13, 2016 05:20AM
From 2007
pulse Report This Comment Date: July 27, 2016 11:56PM
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www.theage.com.au]
Man I can't wait for this moron to win the election. The amount of retarded
comedy gold which is going to spew out of his mouth.
