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pulse Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2005 08:39AM

[www.snopes.com]
ToucanSam Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2005 09:24AM

Good link pulse. But I thought the hoax "flyer" was a bit funny. 'cause if you did run in the station, you may be persued, tackled, and shot in the head point blank. MARSHAL LAW IS ALLMOST IN EFFECT (damn, I really hope not). IF BUSH HAS HIS WAY AND ALL HIS APOINTED BUDDYS, AND BUDDYS THEY LATER APOINT ARE IN POWER IN THE U.S. EVEN AFTER BUSH IS GONE, IT'S KINDA HEADED THAT DIRECTION.
St_George Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2005 09:54AM

If only that were all true, ToucanSam. So - one person was shot 'cos he didn't stop when armed police told him too... whose fault would that be, then?
I got on the Tube this morning - the Piccadily line was open for the first time since the 7th of last month. Sure, there was a significant police presence- but it aint exactly martial law, fer frigs sake. As for the rest of your post... erm, I don't really understand the point you're trying to make. But, hey - if you think Bush is an asshole, then I'm right with you on that one!
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2005 10:06AM

I agree, Bush is an asshole and he will declare marshall law if his brother doesn't win the next election.
ToucanSam Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2005 10:39AM

Yeah, that guy that did run from police AND SHOULDNT HAVE. Obviously. Police are in charge as soon as they are present, get to make decsions on the fly, there judgment. It will all get settled LATER in court. I'm definatly not condiming those officers, in the same situation I'd have done the same. Police are there for a reason. But I truly belive Bush has quit a few hidden agendas, mostly to make money. Aparently money makes the earth spin. And yes Bush is an ass.
John_Bull Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2005 12:30PM

Who is this Marshal, whose law you're talking about? .....or do you mean =martial= law? I think we're still a long way from that, even though an increasing number of policemen now need to carry firearms.
Essex_Guy Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2005 01:42PM

Witnesses say no police warning and guys chasing looked like robbers or terrorists.

So when you see a casually dressed guy waving a pistol in your direction, you stand still? No way.. You run like hell to make yourself a moving target. Head for a busy place where other people are. A subway station could be good.

This poor guy made a sudden life or death decision. The secret police held him down then pumped eight 9mm bullets into him. Trust me.. I know.
ToucanSam Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2005 06:21PM

John_bull, thanks (lol) my spelling is terriable. Essex_guy, how do you know? Where you there? If you were, were you collected enough to take such an detalied account of the situation? I've heard diffrent storys, and beleive me, NONE of them are 100% beleivable. I wasn't there. Not disregarding your story, but in grade school did you ever play that game where one person said a phrase to another, and then they said it to another, around the circle till it came back around. You could imagine, it gets pretty twisted around.
Essex_Guy Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2005 07:07PM

All this information is publicly available. The general public just don't seem to see it. People say, "He was challenged by armed police and ran away." They assume the guy knew they were armed police. Why??? The british police aren't used to using guns in this way. They've made a terrible error. They are only used to shooting at turning targets on the range at Lippets Hill. They have no experience of shooting people. (Apart from each other accidentally.) Unless a very clever cover-up is maintained, the story will come out as I say.
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2005 07:14PM

So some poor guy freaks out (WTF is he wearing a heavy coat in the middle of the summer???), runs from the police who then think that there is a reason that the guy is running, catch him and EXACTLY FOLLOW standard procedure and pump bullets into his head to stop him from self-detonating killing police and innocent bystanders. Tragic.

So....somehow, all of you microbrains blame George Bush? What a bunch of losers. Everything bad that happens in the WORLD is George Bush's fault? Like blaming Bush is going to help you people find a job because you obviously don't have one now.
Essex_Guy33248 Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2005 07:34PM

There you go. Perfect example. "Wearing a heavy coat"; WRONG, he was wearing a light denim jacket. "Runs from the police"; WRONG, he ran from armed assailants who looked at best like criminals and NEVER used the word 'police'. If it's ok to do it to him, how about to your loved ones?
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2005 10:40PM

[email protected]

Please post picture of "light denim jacket" he was wearing. I have not read one thing stating that he was wearing such a garment. Not saying that you are not right....just asking for evidence. Fair enough.

Please document that the undercover officers made NO attempt to identify themselves. I have not read one thing that corroborates that allegation. Fair enough.

You may be totally correct. Just provide links to your documentation.

Again, this was a tragic event and one not to make light of.

The officers had to make a split-second decision, and they did. If you are better than they are, then you need to step up and apply for their job, otherwise, you have no grounds to criticize them for their actions in a very highly charged and tense situation.....caused entirely by Muslims, do not forget.

And for those who want to blame Bush for all the Muslim terrorism in the world, first you need to explain why when that pussycat Bill Clinton was in office, offering virtually no resistance to Muslim terrorism, the Muslim "religion of peace" sickos bombed the Khobar Barracks in Saudia Arabia, bombed the USS Cole, bombed not one but two US Embassies in Africa, bombed the World Trade Center in New York and were well into their flying lessons for 9/11.

It would not matter if Donald Duck was president of the United States, Muslims would be senselessly murdering people all over the world. That is what they are and that is what they do. Some religion.
ToucanSam Report This Comment
Date: August 04, 2005 11:42PM

Essex_guy. You still didn't say if you saw the incident in person. But with all the diffrent accounts of what happened, obviously the truth has been clouded or hidden someway.
And [email protected], It's not only Bush's fault, he's only a small part. It's an American problem gone world wide, and the failure to resist human nature. We're all animals, and to blame JUST Muslims is really showing your ignorance. It's all humans (as a general whole) that they don't want to die, so they make up "gods". To have an after life (please!) And quit a bit if this is just religions fighting other religions for some stupid made up god or ownership of "religious" grounds(or is it oil?).

DANCE MONKEYS DANCE

oh, Slightly diffrent subject but a very, VERY interesting link with lots of other links.

[www.reopen911.org]
Essex_Guy Report This Comment
Date: August 05, 2005 05:05AM

I didn't see the incident. I know about the procedures. I know mistakes can be made when we get all hyped up and have pre-conceived ideas of bombers or armed suspects.

This operation went wrong much earlier. If the suspect was such a dangerous bomber, why was he followed and allowed first to travel to the tube station on the crowded bus?

I'm not just wishing to criticise the police here. My main concern is the way the public are fed mis-information.

It's a pity I can't spend more time on this, but it'll all come out eventually.

Links:
[www.timesonline.co.uk]


Essex_Guy Report This Comment
Date: August 05, 2005 05:05AM

Can only post one link at a time:

[news.bbc.co.uk]

Essex_Guy Report This Comment
Date: August 05, 2005 05:06AM

Here's the police firearms manual:

[www.acpo.police.uk]
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: August 05, 2005 06:22AM

The notice says"...look a bit foreign". Prince Philip, Queens husband is Greek. We all are a bit foreign, u moron!
ToucanSam Report This Comment
Date: August 05, 2005 10:41AM

Thanks Essex.
[email protected] THIS NOTICE (pictured above) IS A HOAX. You moron.
pulse Report This Comment
Date: August 05, 2005 11:07AM

Hahaha what did I start? It's nice to see some honest debating going on here though. I posted this image because.. well.. it's to make you think.

Look, the police had a decision to make, and right or wrong they made it. I couldn't have, and that's why I'm not a cop. I too have heard the denim jacket story, and supposedly this guy was followed from a "known" address which was under surveillance at the time. He looked nothing like a middle eastern, he wasn't killed for looking like an arab - he was Brazilian.

Although this particular event is a tragedy, what would the nay sayer comments be if he was found to have a bag full of explosives? Would they still have done the wrong thing acting on instinct?

Food for thought.
Anon Report This Comment
Date: August 17, 2005 11:18AM

Geez Essex, it's only just been leaked to the press. All you said here was right. You had iside info didn't you?